billvernsays Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Does anyone else notice that Josh Allen doesn’t drop-back and set in the pocket? the traditional 3, 5, and 7 steps drops are replaced with a stationary snap and fire, a minor 1 step shuffle, and a shuffle and a half. I love the guy and think he’s great but I’ve noticed other mobile QB’s take their 5 step drop which opens up running lanes for them. Could the Bills be doing this because they doesn’t like JA’s footwork? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I noticed Josh hopping (bouncing) around I call it happy feet like Peyton Manning did 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) I started looking into this because it always seems he has the pocket collapsing on him even though our OLine is pretty good. When I watch other teams, even the ones I know our OLine is better than, I don’t see the pocket engulfing their QB as much. Edited November 27, 2019 by billvernsays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) I notice his eyes are more wide open than other QB's when he's looking to pass. Wonder if that's correctable with coaching or what they want him to do ? Edited November 27, 2019 by I am the egg man 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Josh’s mechanics and techniques are what he needs to improve on the most. Off-back foot throws are ugly and usually not accurate. He’s cleaned it up since NE. Edited November 27, 2019 by Kiva 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, billvernsays said: Does anyone else notice that Josh Allen doesn’t drop-back and set in the pocket? the traditional 3, 5, and 7 steps drops are replaced with a stationary snap and fire, a minor 1 step shuffle, and a shuffle and a half. I love the guy and think he’s great but I’ve noticed other mobile QB’s take their 5 step drop which opens up running lanes for them. Could the Bills be doing this because they doesn’t like JA’s footwork? Nope his footwork is pretty good. Just how the coaches want him to drop back in our system. We run the most one step drops in the NFL. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, billspro said: Nope his footwork is pretty good. Just how the coaches want him to drop back in our system. We run the most one step drops in the NFL. Ok so that’s what I’m getting at. My question is If it’s a system thing doesn’t that take away from his natural ability to take off and run as the rush lanes open up because with a 1 step drop there’s less space? Edited November 27, 2019 by billvernsays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I think the oline is getting better at understanding his tendencies and are doing a way better job opening little lanes for him when he’s scrambling back there. Took a little while but the oline and Josh are definitely gelling way more as a group. That will make him feel more comfortable and he can relax a bit, not try to do too much often leading to mistakes. The oline will feel more comfortable and won’t try to do too much and that will lead to less whiffs (leading to mistakes). I guess what I’m saying is, there were so many new players on that offense and I’m starting to see them come together in a way that’s very encouraging for the future. I dont know what that means for this game, I’m not quite sure we’re ready to go score for score with a team like the Cowboys. But I am pretty excited about the growth i’m seeing each week. That with the 80mil or whatever we have to hopefully bring in some needed pieces next offseason I’m thinking we’re going to see a huge jump next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, billvernsays said: Ok so that’s what I’m getting at. my question is If it’s a system thing doesn’t that take away from his natural ability to take off and run as the rush lanes open up because with a step drop there’s less space? I think they call too many 1 step drops. Hopefully it is more even down the stretch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, billspro said: I think they call too many 1 step drops. Hopefully it is more even down the stretch. Gotcha. I agree. This could be as part of an effort to “get the ball out faster” but I think it limits his ability to a degree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) The number of steps is dependent on if the snap is from under center or from shotgun and the route concepts it's NOT something the qb decides to do Edited November 27, 2019 by Mrbojanglezs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I noticed Josh hopping (bouncing) around I call it happy feet like Peyton Manning did Brady bounces, Manning looked like he was almost running in place. To me, Josh’s pocket presence nor footwork look like either TB or PM. I do however notice that he takes super long strides when making his drops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mango said: Brady bounces, Manning looked like he was almost running in place. To me, Josh’s pocket presence nor footwork look like either TB or PM. I do however notice that he takes super long strides when making his drops. the guy has a HUGE stride. Perhaps that makes a 1 step for him equivalent to a 3 step for other QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Honestly, his footwork is much improved since college. You are starting to see less and less of 5 and 7 step drops as a whole in the NFL. Offenses are now being designed to be more quick hit, get the ball out in order to limit the pass rush. With Allen, they have simplified this even further. They are using his long stride to their advantage. Because of his stride length, he can get to prper depths a little quicker with less steps. This keeps him on platform more often as he doesn't have to think about his feet as much. As for the bouncing, many great QBs do this. It keeps the QB on his toes and ready to move his feet at any given moment. Allows the QB to stay active and engaged the entire play. But yeah, overall, Allen's footwork, while not perfect all the time, is night and day better than where it was in college and it has translated to improved throws this season. Edited November 28, 2019 by sven233 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Cut him. I dont care how many games he has and will win. If he cant set his feet right he needs to go. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 shuffle and a half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I noticed he runs a lot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Rex Ryan wants back in to deal with his feet Edited November 28, 2019 by Mike in Horseheads 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, billvernsays said: Does anyone else notice that Josh Allen doesn’t drop-back and set in the pocket? the traditional 3, 5, and 7 steps drops are replaced with a stationary snap and fire, a minor 1 step shuffle, and a shuffle and a half. I love the guy and think he’s great but I’ve noticed other mobile QB’s take their 5 step drop which opens up running lanes for them. Could the Bills be doing this because they doesn’t like JA’s footwork? This is a really great observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 The part of his footwork there is concern about isn't his dropbacks, IMO. It's his footwork as he steps into his throws. He's been improving but still has problems sometimes. I don't think the dropbacks factor in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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