eball Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 ...here's a snippet from a conversation Josh and Jim Kelly had with Vic Carucci and Adam Begnini that is supposedly airing soon: One of the biggest lessons Kelly said Allen has needed to learn is to take charge on the field, especially when it comes to communicating with offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. Unlike Kelly, who called his own plays when the Bills made the no-huddle attack their offensive foundation, Allen, as with most NFL QBs, has plays dispatched to him via a headset in his helmet. "(You tell Daboll), 'These are plays I like, these are plays I don't like, and if it ever comes a point in the game where the play's coming in late, call your own play!' " Kelly said. "Daboll gives me the freedom to do that," Allen said. "There were a couple times this Sunday I did it and it worked to our advantage." "Wow! You're listening now," Kelly chimed in. "All right!" "Third down, one of our first third downs, they were trying to sub out, and I called a play, and we got 'em for 12 men on the field and got a first down," Allen said. "There were a couple other ones." "He's listening to Uncle Jim," Kelly said with a laugh. 6 1 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I would view calling plays and reading coverages as two different things. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 We have to patient with the kid. Being an NFL QB is about the hardest thing to do in professional sports. He is coming along though. Maybe the light has come on for him and he now is ready to jump up into the elite, but we shouldn't be all over him if he doesn't. Remember. he has only one reliable weapon (which is a step up from his rookie year), a good OL now (another step up from his rookie year), and there is STILL a bit a transition with NINE new starters on offense. Patience people, patience. 9 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said: I would view calling plays and reading coverages as two different things. Technically, yes, but I'm referring to the wild internet speculation last week that Daboll's move to the skybox was an indication he's reading the defense for Josh in his helmet before the snap. The Bills' use of a hurry-up attack and comments like these from Josh tell me that's not happening. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, eball said: Technically, yes, but I'm referring to the wild internet speculation last week that Daboll's move to the skybox was an indication he's reading the defense for Josh in his helmet before the snap. The Bills' use of a hurry-up attack and comments like these from Josh tell me that's not happening. I interpreted Daboll's comments as indicating it might happen if the Bills were coming to the line and he saw something Josh seemed to be missing, but that it wasn't something he wanted to do on a routine basis: "HE's got to play" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Cool. I think Josh is learning how to read defenses better pre snap. It looked like he was making several audibles last game. Daboll moving to the box was also something that might help Josh feel more comfortable. Brian seemed to lose his cool a few times early in the season with Josh after mistakes. The space and a brief cooling off moment, might be a benefit for both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, eball said: Technically, yes, but I'm referring to the wild internet speculation last week that Daboll's move to the skybox was an indication he's reading the defense for Josh in his helmet before the snap. The Bills' use of a hurry-up attack and comments like these from Josh tell me that's not happening. He moved up cause moving down didn't work so good. Don't know who the freedom benefited more, Allen or Daboll and really don't care, it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I interpreted Daboll's comments as indicating it might happen if the Bills were coming to the line and he saw something Josh seemed to be missing, but that it wasn't something he wanted to do on a routine basis: "HE's got to play" Perhaps, but I think it's mostly so Daboll gets a birds-eye view and can relay what he's seeing to Josh between series and during timeouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, eball said: Perhaps, but I think it's mostly so Daboll gets a birds-eye view and can relay what he's seeing to Josh between series and during timeouts. I think also speed up the play calling Gotta ass: still love that avatar! Sushi was Served! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 That was funny Uncle Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, JMF2006 said: That was funny Uncle Jim I wish Jim Kelly was my dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, eball said: Technically, yes, but I'm referring to the wild internet speculation last week that Daboll's move to the skybox was an indication he's reading the defense for Josh in his helmet before the snap. The Bills' use of a hurry-up attack and comments like these from Josh tell me that's not happening. Yes and pre snap formations on defense can change many times in the final 20 seconds after the helmet audio is shut off. What they should really do is put the OC in one of those blue tents on the sidelines with a few spotters next to him in front of a few big screen TV's with an all-22 view of the field. Same view as being up in the booth but he can walk out at anytime or have Josh come in. During time outs ideally you want your OC to be standing next to the HC and QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, eball said: Technically, yes, but I'm referring to the wild internet speculation last week that Daboll's move to the skybox was an indication he's reading the defense for Josh in his helmet before the snap. The Bills' use of a hurry-up attack and comments like these from Josh tell me that's not happening. How? A hurryup wouldn't in the slightest mean Daboll isn't telling him what coverages are showing. Can't see anything in that snippet you provided that indicates it's not happening a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 That he does or not, what matters are results! It's a team sport, and coaches are part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Is he the only qb in the league with a headset? No. All qb's get that info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) I always thought the notion of Daboll reading defenses for Josh Allen is patently ridiculous. There isn't enough time on the play clock to give Allen the play, interpret the defense for him and let Allen call out the cadence for the offense. Edited November 21, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) Maybe it's just me and growing up with JK as my QB, but I would rather have the QB call the plays than an OC. The OC is a good coach to go to in between series to talk about what they are both seeing and thinking about how to attack the D etc. Edit: It is just a terrible crutch for QBs IMO. With the Rams, McVay is basically playing Madden with Goff as his QB Edited November 21, 2019 by Reed83HOF 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: He moved up cause moving down didn't work so good. Don't know who the freedom benefited more, Allen or Daboll and really don't care, it worked. Where is the QB coach in all these ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Maybe it's just me and growing up with JK as my QB, but I would rather have the QB call the plays than an OC. The OC is a good coach to go to in between series to talk about what they are both seeing and thinking about how to attack the D etc. Edit: It is just a terrible crutch for QBs IMO. With the Rams, McVay is basically playing Madden with Goff as his QB How much does that happen in the NFL these days? I would be fine with Allen having some autonomy and I think we’ve seen he does good things when changing stuff at the lines, but how much of the “playcalling” is done by QB’s? Not flaming, just curious myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, njbuff said: We have to patient with the kid. Being an NFL QB is about the hardest thing to do in professional sports. He is coming along though. Maybe the light has come on for him and he now is ready to jump up into the elite, but we shouldn't be all over him if he doesn't. Remember. he has only one reliable weapon (which is a step up from his rookie year), a good OL now (another step up from his rookie year), and there is STILL a bit a transition with NINE new starters on offense. Patience people, patience. We really need to pin that to the top of the forum board - at least until next season - simple title, "KEEP THIS ALL IN CONTEXT: [...]" Regardless of schedule, sophomore QB showing marked progress and improvement in an offense returning three starters (Foster the fourth), which now only has two starters (Foster now third) from last year. Promising rookie RB. Brown and Beasley are great weapons, but first year in any offense is still a considerable adjustment for even the most veteran of starters. Expectations solidly set at 6-10, and having them happily exceeded every week (except for maybe the Browns game...still dirty) Edited November 21, 2019 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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