billspro Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Let’s revisit this in 5 years. The style of quarterback Lamar plays has shown it doesn’t have a long shelf life. I agree, I always thought he would be successful for 4 year then either get injured or lose a step. Now if he wins a Super Bowl this year he is definitely a worthy pick. He does have a knack for avoiding hits so maybe he will be the next Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, Pete said: 3/28/18 is not hindsight brother Can we see some of your other strong opinions that panned out, Pete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) Hindsight is how you learn from mistakes. please stop w the oversimplified dumb statements. I’m completely against trading up at any point. This doesn’t mean I don’t support or like Allen. Edited November 19, 2019 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 How about the 2017 draft let’s revisit that as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 minute ago, mikemac2001 said: How about the 2017 draft let’s revisit that as well Hell, let's throw it back to Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Nine man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 If you get a franchise QB it does not matter what you paid. No one has any idea how the draft would have fallen if you did not trade up. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Is the 2000 draft out of the statute of limitations???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I guess the "We could've had Watson or Mahomes!" takes weren't enough. Now we're doomed to "We could've had Lamar Jackson!" takes, too. Yippy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, Logic said: I guess the "We could've had Watson or Mahomes!" takes weren't enough. Now we're doomed to "We could've had Lamar Jackson!" takes, too. Yippy. Constant. No one loves looking backward more than Bills fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, Pete said: 3/28/18 is not hindsight brother In draft time, it is. 3 years. That's the gold standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Virgil said: He went last for a reason. Stop with the hindsight. It was one of the most QB needy drafts in recent memory and everyone passed on him. Also, Lamar isn’t who he is right now if he’s not playing in that Roman offense. Right place, right time. I hate this argument. If a guy can play he could play, stop it with the BS of oh he is in the perfect environment that is why he is good crap. Same thing with mahomes. Mahomes would be successful on any team in the league because he is super talented. Edited November 19, 2019 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Gordio said: I hate this argument. If a guy can play he could play, stop it with the BS of oh he is in the perfect environment that is why he is good crap. Same thing with mahomes. Mahomes would be successful on any team in the league because he is super talented. And your evidence for this is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Hindsight always assumes identical outcomes without considering all the factors. Lamar would not be doing here, what he is in Baltimore, period 4 minutes ago, Gordio said: I hate this argument. If a guy can play he could play, stop it with the BS of oh he is in the perfect environment that is why he is good crap. Same thing with mahomes. Mahomes would be successful on any team in the league because he is super talented. Drew Brees begs to differ with you, Alex Smith as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, Pete said: out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 minute ago, cgg716 said: Hindsight always assumes identical outcomes without considering all the factors. Lamar would not be doing here, what he is in Baltimore, period Drew Brees begs to differ with you, Alex Smith as well Jared Goff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gordio said: I hate this argument. If a guy can play he could play, stop it with the BS of oh he is in the perfect environment that is why he is good crap. Same thing with mahomes. Mahomes would be successful on any team in the league because he is super talented. No one is arguing Mahomes wouldn't be good with different teams around him what people argue is that he wouldn't have the gaudy stats that he's gotten playing on a team with so many weapons. The argument about Lamar is different his offense is unique and seems very tailored to his unique playstyle. So I don't think it's ridiculous to say he wouldn't be doing near as well in a different system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I do love Vander Esch but man Edmonds make it a hard call... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) Here's how I think we need to look at it. If Josh becomes a 10-15 year franchise guy then it was worth it. If not, then no. Lamar is going to give you 5-8 years playing this style. That's why he fell. If your argument is no one saw this coming from him then I call BS. He was electric in college and won the Heisman. It seemed pretty clear at the time you could build your offense around his skill set and win right away in this modern NFL where you can't hit people. We picked Josh for the long-term upside. The issue is most guys who don't show glimpses of being a franchise QB within the first two years rarely ever get there. Hopefully Josh can buck the trend. Edited November 19, 2019 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: I don't think the sky fell quite like Alphadawg thought it might by trading up. Huh? Where did I say the sky was falling? I was never against trading up, i was against trading a bounty into the top 5. I liked Lamar and was fine staying put and taking him. But by the time draft night came around, Allen was #2 on my board behind Baker and was quite fine with the trade up we did do. I don’t feel like it was too much to get the guy they coveted. Top 5 would have cost both our firsts (so no Edmunds) and possible our next years 1 or 2. Did not want to pay that much. I did not want to give up what it would take to get inside top 5 though, nor did we need to. I said all the way leading up to draft that neither Giants or Broncos would take a QB and that only 2 QBs would go top 5 and we didn’t need to trade that high. Edited November 19, 2019 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC25 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 58 minutes ago, Pete said: 3/28/18 is not hindsight brother This is hindsight so do you give kc crap cause they traded up for mahomes. Cause they could of stayed pat and drafted defensive players 27 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Hindsight is how you learn from mistakes. please stop w the oversimplified dumb statements. I’m completely against trading up at any point. This doesn’t mean I don’t support or like Allen. No not true at all. The draft is a gamble with hits and misses at every turn. Never know what you get till you get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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