Should reviews/challenges require some SKIN IN THE GAME?

[Buffalo Junction]

Fire Al Riveron and maybe something like this is an option. Until then he’s just going to call penalties based on mystical variables like how much cash he can get from Kraft and whether or not he got laid the night before. Having Riveron in charge make all other changes futile. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Losing a TO is plenty of skin.  Timeouts in the NFL are gold.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Fire Al Riveron and maybe something like this is an option. Until then he’s just going to call penalties based on mystical variables like how much cash he can get from Kraft and whether or not he got laid the night before. Having Riveron in charge make all other changes futile. 

You aren't kidding. That clown seems to be on his own train...hopefully out of town.

[Buffalo Junction]

2 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You aren't kidding. That clown seems to be on his own train...hopefully out of town.

Nah. He’s sitting in NY with a pile of blow and riding the hamburger train to ego town. 

[UConn James]

22 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

I agree with the review panel part. Needs to be some sort of war room set up somewhere with a group of educated Sr officials reviewing these plays live and phones in a ruling to on field referee after. This would keep rulings equal across the NFL.

 

18 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

I all seriousness I think that is the way to do it. I think that they should see the footage and not know the original ruling.

In essence, this is what the league has tried to do with replays going through NY central office & Riveron. In this way the idea would be achieving consistency.

 

The implementation of it, however, has been a complete disaster, especially WRT PI calls & non-calls. At this point, I’m 100 percent certain that the league uses refs to both favor certain teams & players or as a way to nudge keeping game scores closer for viewership / ratings.

 

I haven’t watched NHL much in awhile, but it seemed to me that in the new era, the refs there aren’t the media whores they are in the NFL. And it’s a consistent job rather than 16 games a year.
 

It might be an idea to just lock away the replay people and give them no info on what the original call was and no contact with the refs on the field other than delivering a verdict. That might help, both in actual bias or perceived bias.

[Orlando Tim]

49 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

I just don't think this is possible.  I hear a lot about how bad the officiating is getting...but I dont see it.   in the 80s and 90s bad calls were expected and understood...and THEY HAPPENED, a LOT.  Now we micro-evaluate everything, create a MEME and talk about it in real time on twitter...frame by frame.   There is no way for a human to watch and see everything right, sometimes the camera has a better angle.   Oh and they constantly add new rules and never remove any so the refs have more to watch for.  If you want it RIGHT, then technology has to be part of the equation.

The improvement needs to be in the form of splitting job for officials- one officials deals with one section of field and others break it up. The safety issues should be dealt with from the booth with a couple officials up there dealing with just facemasks/chop blocks/ safety issues.

[eball]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I like the idea but I would prefer they find a way to simply improve officiating the fist time around.

 

That sounds a bit excessive.

[CodeMonkey]

In hockey if they challenge and lose, they get accessed a 2 min penalty and I believe lose their only timeout.

In football, all you lose is a timeout if you are wrong.  So if a play is even marginally close and you are going to call a timeout anyway, challenge the play and get a long timeout.

 

Should be a loss of timeout and a penalty.  Unsportsmanlike maybe, 15 yards.  That way you only challenge if you mean it. Games take too long as it is.

 

Edited November 19, 2019 by CodeMonkey

[wagon127]

1 hour ago, BringBackFlutie said:

I'm confused.  You want to increase the likelihood of getting more accurate calls on reviews by punishing the challenger when the result isn't in their favor?  Or you want to increase the likelihood of getting more accurate calls on reviews by reducing the number of challenges?

Challenges that are too difficult to overturn should be punished for wasting everybodys time. 

[BillsFan692]

Uh.. you already have skin in the game it's not like timeouts are worthless.. they matter big time in the NFL. 

What is with all these fans saying no to reviews? I don't want my team to get !%!@%! # on in the superbowl because some ref made a bogus call and there is no ability/option to review it. People vest way too much into this sport for their to be no review process or for the review process to be marginalized. 

Why does the review process even bother you currently? There is literally nothing wrong with it.

[May Day 10]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Now there's a novel idea!

Even on scoring plays?

 

Yes

 

It feels like video review in sports has gotten well past the critical mass and has diminished the sport(s).  I think a hard reset needs to be done and everything reeled back to 1987 as far as that goes.

 

Slowly introduce replay again one thing at a time until a hard reset is needed down the line.

 

I really hate the feeling of being happy about a play, but needing to wait until the next play (or a review confirmation) in order to really be happy.  I miss the days where an umpire called a play at the plate and that was the locked-in result.  Sports are more fun and emotionally charged that way.   Even with mistakes.

[BillsFan692]

"Games take too long" They take 3 hours and they always have, what else are you wanting to spend your 1pm-4pm block on Sundays doing? Listening to your wife complain? Good grief. 

The 5-10 minutes spent on the reviews pale in comparison to the TV-Commercial time outs, if you want to reduce the game times complain about that -- but that's not gonna change any time soon. 

less reviews, they just fill with more commercials. They don't want a shorter air time that is less revenue it makes no sense. 

The NHL who knows what they are thinking, their execs never been good at making the big bucks. Lets reduce the air time, that'll be great for sales! (lol)

Edited November 19, 2019 by BillsFan692

[Nextmanup]

Get rid of the entire review process.

 

It just keeps getting more and more complicated while doing nothing to eliminate mistakes from the game.

 

It never will eliminate mistakes so just get rid of it.

 

Try and get some freaking flow back into these games.  They are so disjointed with flags, challenges, reviews, and commercials, they are tough to watch.

 

My new favorite is the "commercial break even though we aren't at commercial break" where they kill the sound at the stadium, shrink the game screen down, and run a quick 10 second ad with sound on the right side of the screen.

 

As I've said before, these games are a 3 hour commercial, occasionally interrupted by football.

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Uh.. you already have skin in the game it's not like timeouts are worthless.. they matter big time in the NFL. 

What is with all these fans saying no to reviews? I don't want my team to get !%!@%! # on in the superbowl because some ref made a bogus call and there is no ability/option to review it. People vest way too much into this sport for their to be no review process or for the review process to be marginalized. 

Why does the review process even bother you currently? There is literally nothing wrong with it.

Didn't you even read the post? In no way would what I described create what you did.

[BillsFan692]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Get rid of the entire review process.

 

It just keeps getting more and more complicated while doing nothing to eliminate mistakes from the game.

 

It never will eliminate mistakes so just get rid of it.

 

Try and get some freaking flow back into these games.  They are so disjointed with flags, challenges, reviews, and commercials, they are tough to watch.

 

My new favorite is the "commercial break even though we aren't at commercial break" where they kill the sound at the stadium, shrink the game screen down, and run a quick 10 second ad with sound on the right side of the screen.

 

As I've said before, these games are a 3 hour commercial, occasionally interrupted by football.

 

 

That has nothing to do with the review process and will not be changing any time soon. What do you have better to be doing on Sunday from 3pm to 4pm then watching football anyways? Makes no sense!

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Didn't you even read the post? In no way would what I described create what you did.

I was responding more to some of the comments in response to your OP that said they should "Get rid of the review process entirely". But I also don't think they should marginalize it either, get the calls right. I don't mind to wait a few moments while they review. I'll be spending that time watching buffalo wild wings commercials anyways even if the review process is gutted.

Edited November 19, 2019 by BillsFan692

[eball]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Get rid of the entire review process.

 

It just keeps getting more and more complicated while doing nothing to eliminate mistakes from the game.

 

It never will eliminate mistakes so just get rid of it.

 

Try and get some freaking flow back into these games.  They are so disjointed with flags, challenges, reviews, and commercials, they are tough to watch.

 

My new favorite is the "commercial break even though we aren't at commercial break" where they kill the sound at the stadium, shrink the game screen down, and run a quick 10 second ad with sound on the right side of the screen.

 

As I've said before, these games are a 3 hour commercial, occasionally interrupted by football.

 

 

 

I hope those kids don't stay on your lawn for too much longer...

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I'm actually surprised the NFL hasn't moved to the "Is this the right call?  Text your answer to xxxxxx.  Sponsored by T-Mobile" to get more sponsorship money.

The Patriots would never win a game again.  Although, Belichick would find a way to employ bots like twitter.

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Get rid of the entire review process.

It was worse before review.  See the 1998 Bills Pats game.

[BringBackFlutie]

27 minutes ago, wagon127 said:

Challenges that are too difficult to overturn should be punished for wasting everybodys time. 

 

But that doesn't fix the blatantly incorrect conclusions on reviewed plays.  Furthermore, without fixing the accuracy of those conclusions, we're unnecessarily punishing those coaches who've challenged the calls. 

 

As it is, from a game duration point of view, there's already a mechanism in place to limit frivolous (time wasting) challenges:

1. you only have 2 to start

2. it costs a timeout if you're wrong

3. you only get a third chance if you were right both times, which makes sense because it's only fair to get more challenges if the officials have demonstrated an inability to make the right call on the field

 

The OP is just replacing the current positive re-enforcement mechanism with a similar concept, in a negative re-enforcement context.  The real issue is the quality of reviews, which drives the effectiveness of both mechanisms.

Edited November 19, 2019 by BringBackFlutie

[CuseBill]

You want coaches to have skin in the game...If their challenge is not successful, bring them back to the medical tent to be circumcised.  We already have a neurologist on the sideline, why not a moyel too?  That will cut down on the challenges for sure.

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Im OK with this if they actually get the call right. So many reviews have clear evidence on what the call should be and somehow the ref looks at it and rules it complete opposite. The fact that they would get the call wrong after review and then give that team a penalty on top of it, would have fan bases storming the field to string up the refs.. lol

 

That sounds like good result except teams would be liable if they had special nights "hang the zebras" and gave everyone a noose when they entered stadium.

5 hours ago, TigerJ said:

I think the league  should give each team one renewable challenge per half.  If you're right, you keep getting one more every time you're right.  If you're wrong, you're done.

 

And zebras one wrong review call a game and after 2nd you are suspended.