Samwell Tarly Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 So, for those advocating moving on from McDermott, who do you want as a replacement? Who do you believe is the next great coach? Not saying it's necessarily a terrible idea, but if you're going to fire everyone, again, you better have a viable option, not just "someone else". Been there, done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Hard disagree, good teams start with the right GM. Unfortunately, the Pegulas made the mistake of hiring a coach who talked them into hiring a bad GM. Everything starts with the GM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: If it’s true that earlier in the game Josh called an audible to send Brown on a go route and then over threw him when Beasley was wide open on a shorter route, then Josh is as much to blame as Daboll or McDermott. That issss not how that unfolded at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That issss not how that unfolded at all Well, however it happened, a go route with a QB who is terrible at long throws is a really stupid play call on 3rd and 4. Whose decision was it? It wasn’t a good decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kevinpop said: Let's get this straight.... McDermott's directive was to stall our own momentum after Allen throws two darts against a Cleveland "prevent defense" by huddling up, run 30 seconds off the clock, and settling for the game tying 53 yard field goal on the foot of Stephen Hauschka? I have always questioned McDermott's time management skills and this further underscores his inability to handle the clock during a big moment. Folks- this is the Dick Jauron conservative mentality all over again. How would a competent coach like Bellecheck and the Patriots have handled the last 1:44 left and 1 timeout left in the game? In a much more efficient and organized manner, and would have won the game! Lets get this straight, you're an idiot! As soon as you state "it was McD's directive" you become a complete idiot. You can question why they wasted time, but highly doubt that's what he told them to do and it's something only an idiot would think of! Edited November 11, 2019 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: Well, however it happened, a go route with a QB who is terrible at long throws is a really stupid play call on 3rd and 4. Whose decision was it? It wasn’t a good decision. It wasn’t a go. It was an option route. JA threw the option (Back shoulder), brown stuck with the go, but brown said after the game he should have taken the option because he didn’t beat his man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Kevinpop said: Let's get this straight.... McDermott's directive was to stall our own momentum after Allen throws two darts against a Cleveland "prevent defense" by huddling up, run 30 seconds off the clock, and settling for the game tying 53 yard field goal on the foot of Stephen Hauschka? I have always questioned McDermott's time management skills and this further underscores his inability to handle the clock during a big moment. Folks- this is the Dick Jauron conservative mentality all over again. How would a competent coach like Bellecheck and the Patriots have handled the last 1:44 left and 1 timeout left in the game? In a much more efficient and organized manner, and would have won the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That would’ve been reasonable, but it would’ve been their last TO. I can also understand why he’d want to preserve that TO for the FG attempt. Why do you need a TO for a fg attempt? They would have had 60 seconds and no timeouts. 3rd and 4. If you get the first down, spike the ball. If it's incomplete, you're in the same position as what ended up happening except you have 50 seconds. They also used a TO AFTER the 2 minute warning, while the clock was stopped, and immediately before giving up the big play to Landry. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, QCity said: Hmm seems pretty easy to just not do what you didn't plan to do. This is the equivalent of not fouling at the end of a one-point basketball game then saying "our plan WASN'T to not foul. We need to work on that." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Lets get this straight, you're an idiot! As soon as you state "it was McD's directive" you become a complete idiot. You can question why they wasted time, but highly doubt that's what he told them to do and it's something only an idiot would think of! Bottom line. They did. The buck stops with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Trey Roberts said: I sort of understand the idea of playing for the field goal and winning in overtime. But they were marching and moving the ball well. You have to send the message to your QB that you believe in him to win it NOW, not in OT. They played scared football and sent a message that they didn’t believe Josh could deliver in the moment. They might erode Josh’s confidence by teaching him to play Tyrod ball. They can teach ball security while at the same time allowing Josh to sling it. And I’m afraid they might ruin what makes him a potentially good QB. They've already ruined him. He rarely scrambles anymore like last year. He's so paranoid over ints. that all his long throws are overthrows. Daboll draws up routes that take 20 minutes to develop. This poor kid doesn't stand a chance between mcdermott's conservativism and Daboll's moron game plan. He's a gunslinger. Let him sling it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Bottom line. They did. The buck stops with him. Except they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Trey Roberts said: I sort of understand the idea of playing for the field goal and winning in overtime. But they were marching and moving the ball well. You have to send the message to your QB that you believe in him to win it NOW, not in OT. They played scared football and sent a message that they didn’t believe Josh could deliver in the moment. They might erode Josh’s confidence by teaching him to play Tyrod ball. They can teach ball security while at the same time allowing Josh to sling it. And I’m afraid they might ruin what makes him a potentially good QB. you shouldn’t understand this, because it’s a proven fallacy. It was bourne out of water-headed, risk-averse, traditional coach-think that has no rational basis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 McD has a winning record as the HC of the Buffalo bills....this includes a season with a tear down and complete rebiuld.... 6 and 3 right now Got no problem with him other then I feel like he could have a better OC 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Bottom line. They did. The buck stops with him. Yes they did but most likely the waste of time had nothing to do with him, likely was either on Daboll or Allen. Yes the buck stops with him but doesn't mean he authorized it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Chemical said: Why do you need a TO for a fg attempt? They would have had 60 seconds and no timeouts. 3rd and 4. If you get the first down, spike the ball. If it's incomplete, you're in the same position as what ended up happening except you have 50 seconds. They also used a TO AFTER the 2 minute warning, while the clock was stopped, and immediately before giving up the big play to Landry. I said it would be reasonable to save the TO, but I didn’t say anything about the huddle. It doesn’t look like that was on McD so I wasn’t holding it against him. It was definitely a mistake by Allen (or maybe Daboll) though. Going up to the line and running a play would’ve been fine too. That’s all I was saying. I should’ve been clearer on the last part. The TO would’ve given the Bills more ability to work the middle of the field. It could’ve also given them a chance to give the FG team more time to set up. Sure, they’re NFL players and they should be able to run out and go, but Hauschka hasn’t exactly been stellar this season. I was just thinking some extra time could’ve helped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Chemical said: Why not take a timeout after singletary doesn't get out of bounds? Would have been smart, and the time was more valuable than the TO. There are other ways to get the clock stopped. You won’t get time back on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Kevinpop said: Let's get this straight.... McDermott's directive was to stall our own momentum after Allen throws two darts against a Cleveland "prevent defense" by huddling up, run 30 seconds off the clock, and settling for the game tying 53 yard field goal on the foot of Stephen Hauschka? I have always questioned McDermott's time management skills and this further underscores his inability to handle the clock during a big moment. Folks- this is the Dick Jauron conservative mentality all over again. How would a competent coach like Bellecheck and the Patriots have handled the last 1:44 left and 1 timeout left in the game? In a much more efficient and organized manner, and would have won the game! mike Schopp sighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinpop Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Ed- McDermott has the autonomy as the "Head Coach" to use his last timeout and over-ride Daboll on a very low percentage deep ball call on 3rd down. I don't highly doubt it at all given his track record of ultra conservative play calling. He demonstrates poor situational play calling as the Head Coach. His team- his directive. Edited November 12, 2019 by Kevinpop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 15 hours ago, Jigsaw2112 said: So, for those advocating moving on from McDermott, who do you want as a replacement? Who do you believe is the next great coach? Not saying it's necessarily a terrible idea, but if you're going to fire everyone, again, you better have a viable option, not just "someone else". Been there, done that. 6-3 and we're back down the "fire everyone" rabbit hole. ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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