quinnearlysghost88 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 He's so afraid to throw the ball anywhere near a defender. Does he not have trust in our WRs to go up and get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Guarantee he has made at least 10X more than 3. Last year Brady was 7 of 21 in 31+. Allen was 6 of 21 in 31+. Both were actually bad. They were around 28-30%. The middle of the league was around 40%. I don't believe this discludes yards after the catch. I found it in something called "the deep ball project" if anyone wants to google it for themselves. Edited November 11, 2019 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, quinnearlysghost88 said: He's so afraid to throw the ball anywhere near a defender. Does he not have trust in our WRs to go up and get it? an improvement over Tyrod who never learned to lead a WR, and wouldn't throw unless the primary was open for 2 seconds and doing jumping jacks for attention 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 This guys is supposed to be an NFL QB!!! Anyone making an excuse for 3 of 36 is injecting their veins with JA juice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-19-deep-ball-project Allen was 13 - 50 on "long balls" last year. Over 21 yards. Watson 18 - 45. Wow. Huge difference. Mahomes 34-81. With guys like Hill Wakins and Kelce to throw to. And yes he is awesome. Stafford was 11-44. Brady was 14-48 He hasn't connected on the bomb that's for sure. We aren't scoring enough. Sure. But this stat is overblown. At least he's taking the shots. Maybe we should be taking more of them. 24 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-19-deep-ball-project Allen was 13 - 50 on "long balls" last year. Over 21 yards. Watson 18 - 45. Wow. Huge difference. Mahomes 34-81. With guys like Hill Wakins and Kelce to throw to. And yes he is awesome. Stafford was 11-44. Brady was 14-48 He hasn't connected on the bomb that's for sure. We aren't scoring enough. Sure. But this stat is overblown. At least he's taking the shots. Maybe we should be taking more of them. Brady is on pace for just 46 deep throws this season after averaging 60 in his 12 previous 16-game seasons. He is typically a 40% connection rate on those throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, Do The Reich Thing said: This guys is supposed to be an NFL QB!!! Anyone making an excuse for 3 of 36 is injecting their veins with JA juice. i'd love to bring the hammer down on him but he's got a few more years to learn this game Kelly took Year 3 to start making the Bills epic, even after semi-pro experience in the USFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: But Allen isn't even close to his receivers. How do you "learn" how to throw a deep ball accurately? Tua is the best I've ever seen at throwing a deep ball. He didn't "learn" how. He's just naturally good at it. Aaron Rodgers did not throw a good deep ball coming out and now he has one of the world's best. He had bad mechanics and it hindered his delivery Same with Josh on his deep ball mechanics. Rodgers had 3 years on the bench to work out the kinks Coaches coach for a reason. If Josh is coachable , then he should be able to hone in his mechanics and throw deep as soon as next season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: A HoF QB? We are comparing a green 2nd year guy to one of the greatest QBs learn , so apparently if Josh gets it he will become Kelly? Your comparing him to a legend If he becomes 3-5ths of Kelly we would be set Compare Josh to Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Yeah but he’s 1 for 1 almost throwing it out of the stadium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, USABuffaloFan said: Compare Josh to Mahomes. If Josh cleans up his mechanics on deep balls he can easily be a big time deep ball thrower Rodgers couldn't throw deep coming out because bad mechanics , he corrected them and the deep ball came 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, billspro said: Weird I thought those were often his best throws. I remember a big play to Knox and Foster just in yesterday’s game. I’m sure there are other examples as well. He missed a huge one to Brown that could have been a monster play. Some of them are just slightly off which kills YAC. He did have some great balls in the middle of the field. I could be wrong but he seems much more comfortable at hitting stationary targets rather than moving ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So basically the OP's stat is made up? These numbers don’t add up. Something’s not passing the smell test. Big Blitz at least provided a kink and numbers for other QB’s. I’m not researching this, but that is a start, and far more than putting it together from the old “multiple sources”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I do care about the long ball. I believe the improvement in completion % and the intermediate throws is more important. But he does need to hit a few of these home run balls. Just like the defense needs to force more turnovers, Allen and the offense needs to stretch and pressure the opposing defense. He has to get better with this. You don't see dime defenses till you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Not writing this to bash Josh Allen, I like him and think he SOME DAY will be a great QB. The problem I have is the Bills could have won two more games with a passer that can hit the long ball. Can Josh throw far, YES. Does Josh have touch to drop a ball over the top shoulder, haven't seen that yet. He is 6-3 so what do you do about this that 9 games hasn't shown you. Can the Bills offense beat Baltimore, Dallas, New England, Pittsburgh and even Denver. Is this Bills team just a QB away? Can they win this year in the playoffs? If your answering YES than Barkley must be given a shot. If your not sure or NO then stay the course and see if Josh develops. I am not saying get rid of Josh, just saying you never hand someone a job without working for it. Josh's upside is huge if this is done right. He is not playing that much better than Taylor at this point of his career. Tough decision, at this point though I see this season's playoff chances in jeopardy with Josh playing like this. I stopped reading right after the bold sentence. Should their coaches quit on Elway, Manning, Kelly, Farve, after 9 games? None of them looked very good at that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He missed a huge one to Brown that could have been a monster play. Some of them are just slightly off which kills YAC. He did have some great balls in the middle of the field. I could be wrong but he seems much more comfortable at hitting stationary targets rather than moving ones. The Brown throw was terrible, that would have been a huge play in the game. I think in general deep crossing patterns are his best throw. He had a great one to Brown on a rollout at the end of last game too. He is definitely not a pinpoint guy so he needs to hit lots of chunk plays to be effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Compare Josh to Mahomes. Ok. Did Josh beat Tennessee, yes. Did Mahomes, no. Straw-man arguments rarely work in anyones favor unless you're just trying to say "I'm right!". Edited November 11, 2019 by The Wiz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: This is true... and not likely for a number of the next few seasons. Might be a good time for those who have already made their minds up to jump off the wagon or prepare be angry and frustrated for the foreseeable future. Again, its like they are talking about Tyrod or Trent Edwards or someone... It ain't happening. There's too much good and too much progress. Fine with that but expect a few more days against talented teams like yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 50 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: As long as he continues to hit the 10 to 20 yards pass as well as he does, he stays in. Barkley can't hit those throws like JA does, and its not even close. Those throws are also way more important than the occasional deep shot. He is money inside 30 yards, but would it kill Dorsey to work with Josh on that flat trajectory. It's like he can throw the ball 80 yards and it won't go higher than 20' above the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 49 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: How can anyone think a QB who can't come close to hitting on a long throw will be a great QB some day? If Bills lose to the Dolphins on Sunday then I 100% expect Barkley to start vs. the Broncos on 11/24. He wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The good ones hit 30-40 % and throw it 20-25 times a season. You only need a few completions to spike ratings Can Josh get better? Yes. Do young QBs improve? Yes You realize if Josh was even 0-10 on those balls. BuT he hit 3 out of his next 10 for 3-20 he'd be 15% already. Drew Brees only hit 11% of his balls 30+ yards downfield last season. HoF Brees Allen can learn Brees get 5000 yard seasons, 300 yard games are nothing to him. Can't believe your using him to compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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