Bottom line is the Defense has to prevent an 80 yard TD drive and we win

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine 541]

3 minutes ago, McBean said:

Yeah let’s blame the defense that gave up just 19 points.

 

Would a Pat Mahomes ( who we passed on) and Deshaun Watson ( who we passed on) led offense put up over 19 points and win today?

 

Yeah, they would. Mahomes passed for 450 today. 450! Wake up people. 
 

We deep down know what the problem is. It’s depressing.

 

No one is wholly blaming the defense; however they did give up an 80 yd TD drive that had they stopped them, would have had a probability of over 90% of winning the game.

[dneveu 688]

Just now, buffalo2218 said:

From what I understood, all WRs went deep on that play. Allen's deep accuracy has been a problem all year, so why not use Beasley there instead of sending him downfield?

9 guys along the LOS, no idea who's coming and who's dropping, clocks running, no chance at hard count/cadence, can't set protections... He said screw it, brown 1x1 and it's coming fast because rush is on. 

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

No one is wholly blaming the defense; however they did give up an 80 yd TD drive that had they stopped them, would have had a probability of over 90% of winning the game.

 

Yup. Walked right over em.

[TJC25 28]

4 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

From what I understood, all WRs went deep on that play. Allen's deep accuracy has been a problem all year, so why not use Beasley there instead of sending him downfield?

Um, the pass went to Beasley, like downfield. Why not try to move the chains on a play that had more of a chance given Allen's deep ball issues? Isn't that Beasley's forte?

 

Wrong plays i was talking about the last pass play off the game 

[Gunsgoodtime 373]

The more disturbing notion is...is Josh Allen really our franchise qb?  He sure does miss a lot of throws, and hits on 0 long passes, is terribly inaccurate 

[BananaB 156]

This was a complete team loss. Missed opportunities O, D and ST lost this game. Play calling and coaching was bad too. 
 

D played a pretty solid bend don’t break game until the last drive.  They again had a hard time stopping the run. In the end you expect a top notch D to come up big when the game is on the line. 
 

Passing had inconsistencies. Poor throws and too many drops are not a good combination. The deep pass to McKenzie should of been a TD, you can’t miss that pass. They still put us up late in the game, and then in FG range when they needed it. You gotta like that. 
 

Two missed FGs, not much to say about this. You either hit it or you don’t. 
 

Play calling you have to question. It was a one score game from start to finish and Singletary got 8 carries. That’s totally *****

 

Mcdermot made two bad decisions this game that stand out in my opinion. On the first drive going for 4th down when your QB hasn’t completed a pass yet. In my opinion you take the FG try there. At the end of the game it felt like once we hit FG range they they took the foot of the gas and were happy about going into OT. I think that’s crap. 
 

100% a team loss. All phases had the chance to win this game and all phases failed us. 

[Buffalo716 3,695]

12 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

2014, just before the Pegulas ruined it chasing a sound bite. That team had a better defense and offense than the current one and didn't make the playoffs. Can't wait to switch back to the 3-4 and watch the roster turnover. 

That Schwartz defense was a paper tiger too. Whenever the game was on the line they usually folded

 

And they were NOT GOOD against the run either, getting gashed in big games

 

They had great sack numbers and a good pass D numbers. I still have nightmares of the 2-12 raiders dropping 26 on us and latavius Murray and McFadden going for a combined about 150 in a critical week 16 matchup

 

And that wasn't the first time

[WideNine 1,352]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

How many people on this board do not know how to spell the OC's name correctly?

 

D-A-B-O-L-L 

 

 

The defense was good enough to win today.  When you hold your opponent to 19 points and the offense can't score more, it's not a defensive issue.  

 

NFL defenses are not going to be the '85 Bears, '00 Ravens, or '02 Buccaneers and consistently hold teams to 10 points per.  Not happening. 

 

The defense was not good enough to win or we would have won.

 

The fact is that we had taken the lead and the defense crapped the bed and allowed an 80 plus yard drive and the go ahead TD and left a struggling offense with a minute and change to march down the field and try to take the lead again. Some of that is on Frazier - who has a penchant for easing up on the gas in situations and playing not to lose when he needs to be aggressive against a  struggling QB. There are no heroes from this game just looking at the box score.

 

And it shouldn't take the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens to beat the struggling 2019 2-6 Browns led by a 2nd year QB who is tied for the league lead in interceptions... not the best analogy.

 

Did the offense do enough - no.

Did the defense do enough - no.

Did special teams do enough - no.

Coaches... obviously no.

 

Team loss, and there are a lot of things to fix - going to be a long week at OBD.

 

 

[TJC25 28]

The more i look at it josh missed Beasley bad on that last play has a chance to pick up 25 yards maybe even score go watch 

[Mark Vader 1,740]

1 hour ago, TheJauronClap said:

Dabol did not call a bad game josh missed throws to receivers that were open

Singletary getting 8 carries today against one of the worst run defenses in the league is not bad game planning?

[Buffalo716 3,695]

2 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

The more disturbing notion is...is Josh Allen really our franchise qb?  He sure does miss a lot of throws, and hits on 0 long passes, is terribly inaccurate 

Terribly inaccurate QBs don't throw 20 yards square ins on the money consistently

 

Josh makes amazingly hard throws look effortless a good amount of time , inaccurate QBs don't do that

 

He is inconsistent..  but so is pretty much everybody on offense outside John Brown. Daboll is super inconsistent with playcalling

 

Inaccurate QBs don't have a WR like John Brown on Pace for 1200 yards. He throws a great ball between 10-20 yards

[Gunsgoodtime 373]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Terribly inaccurate QBs don't throw 20 yards square ins on the money consistently

 

Josh makes amazingly hard throws look effortless a good amount of time , inaccurate QBs don't do that

 

He is inconsistent..  but so is pretty much everybody on offense outside John Brown. Daboll is super inconsistent with playcalling

 

Inaccurate QBs don't have a WR like John Brown on Pace for 1200 yards. He throws a great ball between 10-20 yards

But throws 0 bslls accurate beyond that.  Guy has missed numerous wide open long balls this year, not hitting 1 of them, not 1.  He is awful on the deep ball, no argument to be had

[TJC25 28]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

Singletary getting 8 carries today against one of the worst run defenses in the league is not bad game planning?

But receviers were wide open all day josh missed throws my guy 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Terribly inaccurate QBs don't throw 20 yards square ins on the money consistently

 

Josh makes amazingly hard throws look effortless a good amount of time , inaccurate QBs don't do that

 

He is inconsistent..  but so is pretty much everybody on offense outside John Brown. Daboll is super inconsistent with playcalling

 

Inaccurate QBs don't have a WR like John Brown on Pace for 1200 yards. He throws a great ball between 10-20 yards

We score less the 20 a game explain? 

[Mark Vader 1,740]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

I just don't think we are getting good enough production from guys like Edmonds and Oliver.  Edmonds had a bad first half and a rough year.  Oliver is basically last on the depth chart behind guys off the practice squad and street free agents cut from .500 teams. 

 

Our run D goes to sheet when we lose our third round pick from last year, and our top ten pick from this year is nowhere to be seen. 

 

We should trade back and get dozens of 3-5 rounders apparently

Ed Oliver has fallen behind veteran players. Are you saying that Jordan Phillips has not earned to be the starter?

 

As for Tremaine Edmunds, I don't know what you are talking about, he played very good today, and not just by getting the safety.

[Buffalo716 3,695]

4 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

But throws 0 bslls accurate beyond that.  Guy has missed numerous wide open long balls this year, not hitting 1 of them, not 1.  He is awful on the deep ball, no argument to be had

He is 23 and can improve. And it's really hard for all QBs to hit guys 45 -50 yards downfield consistently. It's like a 30% throw for world class QBs

 

The NFL counts a deep ball as over 15-20 yards. Not 50

 

And he is really good at 15-20 .. he has a whole off-season to progress

Edited November 11 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo Barbarian 3,225]

True but it cant always be on the defense, this offense needs to step up. I dont know what the offense needs but today they looked out of sync all day and struggled to put together a nice flowing drive.

 

They all need to look in mirror and ask themselves what they need to do to improve then do it. I think we have enough talent to be competitive but for some reason they cant all get on the same page at the same time.

 

 

[Mark Vader 1,740]

5 minutes ago, TJC25 said:

But receviers were wide open all day josh missed throws my guy 

We score less the 20 a game explain? 

And there were receivers that were open that Josh connected on and they dropped them.

1 hour ago, Troll Toll said:

They’ve invested so little in the offense in 3 years, in fact they have possibly given away more talent on offense than they have gained. The defense has had heavy investment in all 3 drafts and in FA. They should be held to a higher standard than the offense until that levels out.

So you are saying that you want last season's offensive line back?

[TJC25 28]

Just now, Mark Vader said:

And there were receivers that were open that Josh connected on and they dropped them.

I give you two my friend one to knox and roberts and thats it what you got now 

[BillsVet 756]

7 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

The defense was not good enough to win or we would have won.

 

The fact is that we had taken the lead and the defense crapped the bed and allowed an 80 plus yard drive and the go ahead TD and left a struggling offense with a minute and change to march down the field and try to take the lead again. Some of that is on Frazier - who has a penchant for easing up on the gas in situations and playing not to lose when he needs to be aggressive against a  struggling QB. There are no heroes from this game just looking at the box score.

 

And it shouldn't take the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens to beat the struggling 2019 2-6 Browns led by a 2nd year QB who is tied for the league lead in interceptions... not the best analogy.

 

Did the offense do enough - no.

Did the defense do enough - no.

Did special teams do enough - no.

Coaches... obviously no.

 

Team loss, and there are a lot of things to fix - going to be a long week at OBD.

 

There is no one side of the ball at fault, but we're debating how much to blame one side of the ball or the other.  That can be tricky because nuance doesn't work on message boards. 

 

Still, the offense should be expected to do more against that defense.  And Buffalo's defense, despite some issues stopping the run, shouldn't be expected to keep that offense to less than 16 points.  There's too much talent over there, despite the record.

 

 

[Buffalo716 3,695]

5 minutes ago, TJC25 said:

But receviers were wide open all day josh missed throws my guy 

We score less the 20 a game explain? 

Everybody on offense is inconsistent and it starts at coaching

 

You also are critiquing him like he's a 8 year polished vet. He should've been sitting for a year or 2 and learning

 

We threw a super green QB into the fire. Inconsistency is what happens.. he needed 2 years on the bench and he is getting it on the field

 

He has to learn to play through mistakes now in the field. He couldn't clean up his mechanics for 3 seasons like Rodgers.. he has been tossed into the fire

 

He needs more than 19 games

[Mark Vader 1,740]

2 minutes ago, TJC25 said:

I give you two my friend one to knox and roberts and thats it what you got now 

Again......Devin Singletary: 8 carries....Unacceptable.

[Hapless Bills Fan 10,863]

1 hour ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

They gave up 19 points on the road.  They did fine.

 

We lost.  It’s a team game.

[TJC25 28]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Everybody on offense is inconsistent and it starts at coaching

 

You also are critiquing him like he's a 8 year polished vet. He should've been sitting for a year or 2 and learning

 

We threw a super green QB into the fire. Inconsistency is what happens.. he needed 2 years on the bench and he is getting it on the field

 

He has to learn to play through mistakes now in the field. He couldn't clean up his mechanics for 3 seasons like Rodgers.. he has been tossed into the fire

 

He needs more than 19 games

Daboll called plays that got players open. Im critiquing him as a QB young or old same position. Why do you say he need 2yrs on a bench cause someone on tv or radio says he needs it? 

3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Again......Devin Singletary: 8 carries....Unacceptable.

Again open receivers in a passing league not getting the ball unacceptable 

[djp14150 98]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Invested so little in the offense?! They've invested a top 10 pick at qb, a whole new line, new wrs, new te's, new rbs. Are you joking?

 

16.66 points allowed per game

19.33 points scored per game

We've given up 20 or more points only twice this year. TWICE.

We've held 2 teams to single digits.

Yet our offense, in 9 games has had games of 10, 13, 14, 17 points scored this year. And only 16 today.

 Higher standard? Again, are you joking?

 

 

The offense got 14 pts. 2 was on a safety.

 

the offense hasn’t done enough. I don’t blame Allen, I blame the play calling. I blame McD conservatism

 

today if thry kick the FG at the end of the first half this game would have bern a tie.

[Bob in STL 745]

1 hour ago, TheJauronClap said:

Dabol did not call a bad game josh missed throws to receivers that were open

 

He called 20 runs and 41 passes on the road, with the lead for part of the game.   With a QB that struggles that is bad.

 

Loved that bomb on 3rd and 3. 

 

Allen at least has youth as an excuse.  Daboll has never once had a productive offense on any NFL team, ever.  

[Mark Vader 1,740]

1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

The Browns GWD is 100% on McDermott.

 

He called two timeouts on that drive to reset the defense to what their offense was showing.

 

After the 1st TO, the browns were in the same formation and made a big 1st down.

 

After the 2nd TO, Browns scored a TD.

 

McD got outcoached in the end, by a far (supposedly) inferior coach in Kitchens.

 

Its a bit concerning.

 

Those timeouts couldve been used on offense 😕

 

 

Very true.

 

What's worse is that they should have used their final timeout when Singletary did not get out of bounds.

 

They could have saved more time to draw up a play to get the first down and probably get in closer field goal range or possibly get a touchdown. There was enough time to do that.

 

Instead, they let the clock run, letting precious seconds slip away. Putting Hauschka in a difficult situation.

4 minutes ago, TJC25 said:

Daboll called plays that got players open. Im critiquing him as a QB young or old same position. Why do you say he need 2yrs on a bench cause someone on tv or radio says he needs it? 

Again open receivers in a passing league not getting the ball unacceptable 

So you agree that Singletary only getting 8 carries was the right thing to do?