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12 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

I disagree.  WRs are wide open.  It’s on the QB to execute.  The OC should not go run heavy  to hide JA’s deficiencies.  Cleveland was in cover zero most of the game. The plays were there, the QB wasn’t. 

They played the 30th ranked run defense who have been giving up and average of 5 YPC and nearly 150YPG.  Do you not think that they played to stop the run against other teams? Guess what? They could not.

 

***** take what they give you.  Take what you want.

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Just now, Cripple Creek said:

They played the 30th ranked run defense who have been giving up and average of 5 YPC and nearly 150YPG.  Do you not think that they played to stop the run against other teams? Guess what? They could not.

 

***** take what they give you.  Take what you want.

 

Hey pal, play designs were leading to wide open receivers and the opposing defense was playing cover zero, press man and a loaded box.  Daboll was fine.  Allen was not. 

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Just now, Buffbills123 said:

 

Hey pal, play designs were leading to wide open receivers and the opposing defense was playing cover zero, press man and a loaded box.  Daboll was fine.  Allen was not. 

Hey bub, what's higher percentage, rushing for 5YPC or tossing it 50 yards down field?  Daboll is the main problem on this team.

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Just now, Cripple Creek said:

Hey bub, what's higher percentage, rushing for 5YPC or tossing it 50 yards down field?  Daboll is the main problem on this team.

 

I’m not referring solely to the missed deep attempts.  Educate yourself and watch the tape.  What’s a higher percentage, a run against an 8 man box or a wide open receiver?

 

If you’re answer is run, the problem lies in the QB, not the play caller. 

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2 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

I’m not referring solely to the missed deep attempts.  Educate yourself and watch the tape.  What’s a higher percentage, a run against an 8 man box or a wide open receiver?

 

If you’re answer is run, the problem lies in the QB, not the play caller. 

I agree 100 percent plays by josh were there to be made and he didnt 

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8 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

I’m not referring solely to the missed deep attempts.  Educate yourself and watch the tape.  What’s a higher percentage, a run against an 8 man box or a wide open receiver?

 

If you’re answer is run, the problem lies in the QB, not the play caller. 

 

So by you're logic. The Packers need to fire there coach. More run plays vs pass. Even tho they won but ran more running plays. (Balanced)

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6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

So by you're logic. The Packers need to fire there coach. More run plays vs pass. Even tho they won but ran more running plays. (Balanced)

 

What?  By my logic, if the OC is creating open receivers for his QB then he is doing a fine job, regardless of run/pass ratio. 

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8 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

What?  By my logic, if the OC is creating open receivers for his QB then he is doing a fine job, regardless of run/pass ratio. 

 

Devin Singletary stats
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YDS
AVG
TD
REC
 
11/10
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11/3
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20
95
4.8
1
3
 
10/27
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3
19
6.3
0
4
 
10/20
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7
26
3.7
0
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9/15
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6
57
9.5
1
-
 
9/8
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4
70
17.5
0
5
 
Regular Season
48
309
6.4
2
15

 

 

Sorry this is truth over you're personal thoughts. 

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1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Devin Singletary stats
Game stats
 
Game
ATT
YDS
AVG
TD
REC
 
11/10
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8
42
5.2
0
3
 
11/3
vs
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20
95
4.8
1
3
 
10/27
vs
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3
19
6.3
0
4
 
10/20
vs
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7
26
3.7
0
-
 
9/15
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6
57
9.5
1
-
 
9/8
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4
70
17.5
0
5
 
Regular Season
48
309
6.4
2
15

So by what your saying is we need to run more and what does that do to cause we've been a running team for years and where did that get us 

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5 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Devin Singletary stats
Game stats
 
Game
ATT
YDS
AVG
TD
REC
 
11/10
@
image.png.1146d94b0a84def986f45575ec406c9c.png
8
42
5.2
0
3
 
11/3
vs
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20
95
4.8
1
3
 
10/27
vs
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3
19
6.3
0
4
 
10/20
vs
1ysKnl7VwOQO8g94gbjKdQ_28x21.png
7
26
3.7
0
-
 
9/15
@
q8qdTYh-OWR5uO_QZxFENw_28x21.png
6
57
9.5
1
-
 
9/8
@
T4TxwDGkrCfTrL6Flg9ktQ_28x21.png
4
70
17.5
0
5
 
Regular Season
48
309
6.4
2
15

 

 

Sorry this is truth over you're personal thoughts. 

 

What is your truth?  All is see is copy/paste and completely ignoring my point. 

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1 minute ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

What is your truth?  All is see is copy/paste and completely ignoring my point. 

Point is we have a young project Qb that needs the help of a run game to be successful. So why did we abandon what was successful last week against a team that can’t stoop the run?

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1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Point is we have a young project Qb that needs the help of a run game to be successful. So why did we abandon what was successful last week against a team that can’t stoop the run?

 

The defensive looks were completely different this week relative to last week.  Hence, why Daboll decided to continue to press the pass against a defense that was daring Allen to beat them.  

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I don't agree.  I do not like his offensive approach at all.  The guy seems to play to the strengths of the opposing team. His offense seems pretty weak.  Can blame that on Allen if you want to.  I won't argue with anyone.  In my opinion, Daboll is a terrible OC.  There is a reason he has never in his career had a good offense in the NFL.  

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1 hour ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

I’m not referring solely to the missed deep attempts.  Educate yourself and watch the tape.  What’s a higher percentage, a run against an 8 man box or a wide open receiver?

 

If you’re answer is run, the problem lies in the QB, not the play caller. 

3rd and 4.  You know you're going for it on fourth down.  What do you do?  Is empty backfield part of your answer?

 

Allen needs work but, I cannot tell at this point whether he's worth contract number 2 because of Daboll.  It is up to the coaches to put the players in the best position to be successful.  It is up to the FO to surround the young QB with sufficient play makers and protection.  The FO has done ok, maybe B-, the coaches I give a D-.  They have until the end of next year to figure out if he's the guy (I know your mind is made up) and if Daboll is still around then the team is not going to know which way to jump.  I don't want that.

 

Hire Norv as Associate HC this off season.

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On 11/6/2019 at 6:55 AM, George C said:

Geez...

We’re not Cleveland. Let’s not fire everyone on a whim... Let them develop the team and the players for gods sake. 

Daboll is and should be our coordinator for the foreseeable future. 

 

I don’t think we should fire Daboll on a whim.  But I think he needs more oversight and guidance than he’s getting routinely from McDermott - more “coaching the coaches”.  I agree with a lot of Gugny’s post and while it ticked me off big time last week, I acknowledge it’s a valid point that a good OL ought to be able to win on an “and 1” - I still think it might be worth trying to mix it up a bit.

 

Maybe he’s a football Mensa member and I’m just an ignorant fan but Daboll just doesn’t seem to latch in to the “big picture”.  The weather sucks for passing, so we focus on the pass game vs the Iggles. The Browns have a poor run defense, so Singletary (who was awesome last week) gets 8 carries.  Our QB is struggling with the deep pass so we dial up a deep pass on a critical “and 4”.  It’s been discussed that we’re pretty predictable in what plays we run from different formations and with certain personnel on the field.  It just doesn’t seem like it puts our guys in the best position to succeed.

 

1 hour ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

I’m not referring solely to the missed deep attempts.  Educate yourself and watch the tape.  What’s a higher percentage, a run against an 8 man box or a wide open receiver?

 

If you’re answer is run, the problem lies in the QB, not the play caller. 

 

Yes, there were plays to be made that Allen missed.  No sugar-coating, that’s a problem.  But it’s not the whole picture.  When you’re playing a bottom-dragging run D and you have a young back who had a great game last week, you would think giving him the ball more than 8 times might be a thought.

1 hour ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

The defensive looks were completely different this week relative to last week.  Hence, why Daboll decided to continue to press the pass against a defense that was daring Allen to beat them.  

 

Here’s the thing though: giving a defensive look and being able to execute it consistently are two different things.  The Browns have been trying to stack the box and stop the run and not succeeding.

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1 hour ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Point is we have a young project Qb that needs the help of a run game to be successful. So why did we abandon what was successful last week against a team that can’t stoop the run?

Exactly!!!!.....Dabol is ruining allen amd putting too much on his shoulders...this team is built to set allen up through the run and a defense that doesnt break....both of those things havent really happened in our losses

How many years does dabol have as an nfl coordinator?

How many years does allen have as a nfl qb?...

Dabol has a claim of the #24 ranked offense under his belt as his personal best with two rankings near dead last....singletary was avg better than 4 yards a carry and he only gets 8 carries?...criminal...but yet your 2nd year qb throws it 41....not to mention browns great pass d and their horrible run d it should be a no brainer to run...same against philly...we pass the ball 35 times in 45mph winds and rush like 12..smh..dabol is the main issue and our weakest link on offense

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13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Here’s the thing though: giving a defensive look and being able to execute it consistently are two different things.  The Browns have been trying to stack the box and stop the run and not succeeding.

 

False. NFL analytics shared that the Browns ran the most Cover Zero looks today than they have all season. Try again.

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1 hour ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

What?  By my logic, if the OC is creating open receivers for his QB then he is doing a fine job, regardless of run/pass ratio. 

 

Well, let’s look at your logic a little bit.   I guess if all the WR were equally skilled at running all routes and catching all throws, and the QB was equally skilled at making all throws no matter what pressure he’s facing,  it would make sense.

 

But the other viewpoint is that these are human beings with different strengths and weaknesses on the field, and those should be taken into account.

3 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

False. NFL analytics shared that the Browns ran more Cover Zero looks today than all season. Try again.

 

I wasn’t talking about just what they did today, but what they’ve succeeded or failed at all season.  And they were not running Cover Zero on 41 of our pass plays today, no?

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2 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

False. NFL analytics shared that the Browns ran the most Cover Zero looks today than they have all season. Try again.

They can show that look all they want...you force them to execute it...something they havent done all year..dabol fooled noone but himself with his playcalling AGAIN

4 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

False. NFL analytics shared that the Browns ran the most Cover Zero looks today than they have all season. Try again.

If your insinuating allen is more to blame than dabol id say your 100% wrong

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7 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

Exactly!!!!.....Dabol is ruining allen amd putting too much on his shoulders...this team is built to set allen up through the run and a defense that doesnt break....both of those things havent really happened in our losses

How many years does dabol have as an nfl coordinator?

How many years does allen have as a nfl qb?...

Dabol has a claim of the #24 ranked offense under his belt with two rankings near dead last....singletary was avg better than 4 yards a carry and he only gets 8 carries?...criminal...but yet your 2nd year qb throws it 41....not to mention browns great pass d and their horrible run d it should be a no brainer to run...same against philly...we pass the ball 35 times in 45mph winds and rush like 12..smh..dabol is the main issue and our weakest link on offense

The funny part is fans around here act like Daboll has been a great OC everywhere else he’s been but, he’s always been a horrible OC in the NFL.  I wonder how many of his defenders have actually seen his offensive stats the other times he’s been an OC. The same way the Bills rank at the bottom of the league on offense is how his other units have ranked. As a matter of fact for those criticizing the QB so much you can argue this has been his most successful ranking as a OC in overall offensive stats. 

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3rd and 3. Deep shot. 3rd and 4. Deep shot. And it wasn't Josh choosing to go deep, the play call on 3rd and 3 didn't have a route less than 10 yards down field.

 

The Browns game was his worst performance yet. You give Singletary the ball 8 times? You run a sweep with Gore, who's probably the slowest back in the league at this point? Also of note, Allen is much more successful throwing to his left than to his right. Guess which side of the field he's throwing to on those deep shots... it's like Daboll can not dissect film.

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Someone delete this thread.  He’s not an excellent play caller.  He blows.  
 

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