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Jim Kelly (93) vs Josh Allen (19)


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3 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

That's neat. It's just that standards for the passing game have elevated so much since '93. Back then, yeah, Kelly's stats looked good. Today, people look at Allen's identical stats and think, "He a bum!" I think he'll get there, though.

 

Back then Kelly's stats looked good?

 

How old are you?

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Dan Marino was chucking the rock all over back in the 80s too. Passing offense isn't a new thing. Kelly took some time to dial in like anyone else and then saw better days. I think Josh will get there. Its those fn mahomes guys these days that ruin it for everyone. lol Now everyone wants to see MVP level passing day 1 or hes a bust..

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They also had Thurman and KD.  But I get your point and it’s a good one. 
 

Same when you think about Reed never had back to back 1K seasons.   
 

The Bills offense was premier yet you can’t compare them to teams two decades later.   
 

Look at the greatest show on turf.  Even those stats are consistently beaten in today’s NFL and they destroyed everyone.  I can’t remember the last time in 20 years when a teams QB, RB, and top 2 WR’s all went in the top 10 of a fantasy football draft.  It was crazy 

2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Forecast:

 

60.9 comp %

3306 passing yds

20TDs

14ints

494 rushing yds

8 rushing TDs

 

That's not a bad 2nd year for a QB

 


I know this is knit-picking, but 20 TDs is too few in today’s NFL if you don’t have the rushing attack and TDs there to support it. 
 

But if this is a trend, that’s good for year 2.  3800+ and 30+ TDs I think would be solid for year 3. 

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I want to see Josh Allen continue to improve and eventually be the guy. However, when I saw this tweet yesterday, I can't help but think it's a misleading comparison due to different eras.

 

in 1993, average comp%: 57.9%, average pass yard/game: 200.6, average TD/game: 1.2, average INT/game: 1.0

 

in 2019, average comp%: 64.8%, average pass yard/game: 238.5, average TD/game: 1.5, average INT/game: 0.8

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Anytime someone compares QB stats to one from nearly 3 decades ago I know they are an idiot.

 

What should we take from this?

 

Well, I'd say you are more than qualified to know one when you see one...

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Couldn't be more than fake news on the original graphic. Just someone trying to supportive their own narrative....

 

That's the Jim Kelly stats for his first 6 games played in 2013 (they had TWO byes back then - Week 8 on NFL calendar), and then someone lines up Allen's stats for a full 8 games played (Week 9 by NFL schedule). If you are going to do it this way - please add the 10 fumbles by Allen that are drive killers (3 of them lost which changed possession).

 

Pure nonsense....

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15 minutes ago, Virgil said:


I know this is knit-picking, but 20 TDs is too few in today’s NFL if you don’t have the rushing attack and TDs there to support it. 
 

But if this is a trend, that’s good for year 2.  3800+ and 30+ TDs I think would be solid for year 3. 

 

Tainted Tom only has 14 TD's thus far this year and 5 INT's 

Lamar Jackson has 12 TD's thus far this year and 5 INT's 

Jimmy Porn Star G  has 13 TD's thus far this year and 7 INT's 

Josh Allen has 10 TD's thus far this year and 7 INT's 

 

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Jarred Goff has 11 TD's thus far this year and7 INT's 

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1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Tainted Tom only has 14 TD's thus far this year and 5 INT's 

Lamar Jackson has 12 TD's thus far this year and 5 INT's 

Jimmy Porn Star G  has 13 TD's thus far this year and 7 INT's 

Josh Allen has 10 TD's thus far this year and 7 INT's 

 

And seven of Lamar Jackson's TDs came in the 1st two games. Since then, 5 TDS, 5 INTS, 4 Fumbles. But hey, he is at least in the discussion for League MVP.

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1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Tainted Tom only has 14 TD's thus far this year and 5 INT's 

Lamar Jackson has 12 TD's thus far this year and 5 INT's 

Jimmy Porn Star G  has 13 TD's thus far this year and 7 INT's 

Josh Allen has 10 TD's thus far this year and 7 INT's 


I don’t think those are great comparisons this year.  
 

Brady hasn’t been himself and his defense is scoring more touchdowns that some offenses.  He doesn’t need to do as much. 
 

Lamar still isn’t a true QB to me yet, no matter how effective that offense may be.  People eventually adapt to Roman and shut him down. 
 

Jimmy is a decent comparison, but they also are sporting a great D and 3 headed rushing attack.  
 

But I do see the point you are trying to make 

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3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

And seven of Lamar Jackson's TDs came in the 1st two games. Since then, 5 TDS, 5 INTS, 4 Fumbles. But hey, he is at least in the discussion for League MVP.

 

LOL   insanity ...  

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:


I don’t think those are great comparisons this year.  
 

Brady hasn’t been himself and his defense is scoring more touchdowns that some offenses.  He doesn’t need to do as much. 
 

Lamar still isn’t a true QB to me yet, no matter how effective that offense may be.  People eventually adapt to Roman and shut him down. 
 

Jimmy is a decent comparison, but they also are sporting a great D and 3 headed rushing attack.  
 

But I do see the point you are trying to make 

 

Why?  Are you choosing to cherry pick Virgil

 

The numbers are what they are.   the QB's (beside Brady and Belicheat ) don't get to pick who and where they play  

 

Every name I listed has STAR power.   All but Buffalo's own Josh Allen.  

Why?    and don't say Josh sucks people 

 

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