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Jordan Phillips earns start; Oliver only plays 18 def snaps vs Redskins

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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Because he isn't playing as bad you stubbornly think he is.

😂 the guy does nothing. Watch the tape. 

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4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yes, Oliver has played well from what I can tell. But tough to sit Phillips. It’s a good rotation. I think the 18 snaps from Oliver was because skins didn’t pass much. 

 

Rookie in his first ever start, on the road and a defense looking vulnerable in run defense.  I think we just wanted size.

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1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Because he isn't playing as bad you stubbornly think he is.

 

I was just about to say that.  Star is doing exactly what a big 1-tech DT does, and he does it pretty consistently.

 

If you play 1-tech and are never, ever, ever moved off the ball by two 300lb offensive lineman, you are probably the best 1-tech to ever play the game.  Some people need to temper their expectations.  

 

Star isn't a problem.  

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2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It was a joke.  He said we don't need Oliver because of Harrison Phillips....well Phillips isn't playing.

no *****, but when he was in he killed it.  He plays his gap, bats balls and provides pressure. When he's back next year and we re-sign Jordan....Oliver is not needed.  He'll end up being a situational rotation guy. Not a stud. He is way too undersized and gets man handled out there.

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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Rookie in his first ever start, on the road and a defense looking vulnerable in run defense.  I think we just wanted size.

That’s just the point though. Oliver being a third down pass rushing specialist when he hasn’t been all that effective at rushing the passer is uh, not good.

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

😂 the guy does nothing. Watch the tape. 

 

I think you honestly think you know more about McDermott's defense than McDermott.

 

How much "tape" did you watch?  Honestly answer this question.  How much film, specifically breaking down Star have you watched?

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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With the selection of both Edmunds and Oliver the Bills front office appear to have bought into the line that the modern NFL was going to be played by a bunch of medium sized fast guys, much like the NBA. Unfortunately for them, size kills and the trenches are still dominated by really big guys. 

Edmunds is medium sized? 

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1 minute ago, Mr. SpacePuppy said:

no *****, but when he was in he killed it.  He plays his gap, bats balls and provides pressure. When he's back next year and we re-sign Jordan....Oliver is not needed.  He'll end up being a situational rotation guy. Not a stud. He is way too undersized and gets man handled out there.

 

LOL.  We don't a rotation of talent.  We got two Phillips....that's it!

 

Amazing how you can judge and entire career of a player in his first 8 games.  

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I was just about to say that.  Star is doing exactly what a big 1-tech DT does, and he does it pretty consistently.

 

If you play 1-tech and are never, ever, ever moved off the ball by two 300lb offensive lineman, you are probably the best 1-tech to ever play the game.  Some people need to temper their expectations.  

 

Star isn't a problem.  

 

Scott is as stubborn as a mule.  He doesn't know the game, he doesn't watch film, he just likes to B word.

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7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Pay the man. He wants to be here, he loves it here, and he’s earned it.

 

You can’t ever have too many guys who affect the QB. 

 

agreed if cap is an issue, Cut star.

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2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

That’s just the point though. Oliver being a third down pass rushing specialist when he hasn’t been all that effective at rushing the passer is uh, not good.

When I watch him in the pass rush he's getting pressure, just hasn' t had that extra split second to finish the job.  Run game, he needs to continue working. 

 

Rather than focus on the negative of a rookie, I prefer to focus on the positive of what Phillips has brought.  Oliver will have his place in the line as he goes forward.

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14 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

He was invisible on sunday.

I believe there were whispers that Oliver’s  coaches at Houston thought his frame couldn’t handle much more playing weight.

At his age, it's not about pure weight. It's more about strength and leverage. Ed has to learn leverage and I hope he can. This next offseason he will add a lot of strength. Then as he ages, the weight can come.

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8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

😂 the guy does nothing. Watch the tape. 

 

Meanwhile universally any "watch the tape" guy on twitter or elsewhere, with any sort of actual football training or experience (Joe B. aside), has said Star is actually playing well.  

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5 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

agreed if cap is an issue, Cut star.

 

With Harrison Phillips coming back, I will lose it if they don't pay Jordan Phillips because of the current investments on the DL. 

 

If I had to guess, Star and one of Murphy/Shaq aren't on this DL next year.  We get Harry back to replace Star and go after Yannick Ngakue or draft a DE high in the Draft.

 

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Maybe McD should give Oliver some snaps at DE and see how he does.

 

The Bills will have over $80M in cap space, so hopefully they'll be able to resign Phillips.

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4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I think you honestly think you know more about McDermott's defense than McDermott.

 

How much "tape" did you watch?  Honestly answer this question.  How much film, specifically breaking down Star have you watched?

Give me a break. I got mocked all offseason expressing the concern for Edmunds and Star in the run game.... Star is literally a traffic cone and Edmunds still struggles to diagnose plays and disengage blocks. Hence the reason teams have had success running the ball on us. 

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Ed will be fine.  Jordan is currently the better player.  He deserves the start imo.  He’s gonna make at least 13 mill a year.  If he keeps improving, he could make 17+

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

Give me a break. I got mocked all offseason expressing the concern for Edmunds and Star in the run game.... Star is literally a traffic cone and Edmunds still struggles to diagnose plays and disengage blocks. Hence the reason teams have had success running the ball on us. 

 

How much tape have you watched?

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6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How much tape have you watched?

Enough to be proven 100% right about Edmunds and Star to this point in the season. Tell me Royale why does this defense continue to get exposed against the run?

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11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Edmunds is medium sized? 

Yes he is. He’s the NFL equivalent of a small forward. Tall and thin, with speed. What? You consider him to be a prototypical MLB?

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I’ve been waiting to see the snap counts.  I didn’t know it was that bad.  
 

Yes, it’s a bad look for our 1st round pick.   Rookie or not, you expect the guys from your first two rounds to be consistent starters and making impacts.   
 

The idea of bust potential has to creep into your mind 

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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ed will be fine.  Jordan is currently the better player.  He deserves the start imo.  He’s gonna make at least 13 mill a year.  If he keeps improving, he could make 17+

If the Bills pay that, they are drunk.

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes he is. He’s the NFL equivalent of a small forward. Tall and thin, with speed. What? You consider him to be a prototypical MLB?

I think he’s kinda huge bro. He’s like Gronk’s size at 21. 

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5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes he is. He’s the NFL equivalent of a small forward. Tall and thin, with speed. What? You consider him to be a prototypical MLB?

He’s giant for a MLB

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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes he is. He’s the NFL equivalent of a small forward. Tall and thin, with speed. What? You consider him to be a prototypical MLB?

There is nothing medium sized about 6’5”, 250lbs. 
 

Tell me, in today’s highly specialized sub-package league, what is a prototypical MLB? 

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