Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Did I touch a nerve or something? There's no "gotcha" here. Yes, the comment was about the fans being able to admit something about the QB. Is there some arena of life where we admit things that aren't accepted as true? Because otherwise the implication is pretty clear that what we're being asked to admit is true. Was that too deep? Too offensive? I assume not. Either way I'll move on at this point. Seemed like you were looking for an argument that wasn’t there. Why else would you put words in my mouth? Regardless, this (whatever it is)has run its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: The Eagles actually do it a ton w/Goedert and Ertz...the difference being you can't just shove 8 in the box on defense because they're both terrific pass catchers as well as blockers. When the Bills run 2 TE sets they aren't nearly as multiple as Eagles are just owing to personnel. Yeah I won't argue with this but Wentz has showed the ability this year to go deep, over the top deep and hit his WR. Allen hasn't this year. He did it last year...he needs to find it again. We are a bad passing team...again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: The link isn't working and I'm sure this doesn't take context into consideration. If it's 3rd and 17 and we are in a 3 WR set and the RB runs a 10 yarder...is this considered a "success"? I don't know about Sharpe football, but for Football Outsiders (for example), Success Rate takes into account down and distance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html Still not working. So again, a 3rd and 17 and we get 10 yards on a run...is that considered a "success"? We can't run out of 3 WR sets most of the game. We need to be able to be multiple. Just now, thebandit27 said: I don't know about Sharpe football, but for Football Outsiders (for example), Success Rate takes into account down and distance This argument is just going down a rabbit hole.... What are your thoughts on Allen's deep ball accuracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Still not working. So again, a 3rd and 17 and we get 10 yards on a run...is that considered a "success"? We can't run out of 3 WR sets most of the game. We need to be able to be multiple. This argument is just going down a rabbit hole.... What are your thoughts on Allen's deep ball accuracy? I am trying to find a place that tracks it real time. I know last year his deep ball accuracy was 40% keep the link. it will work seems the site is down right now Edited October 28, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Still not working. So again, a 3rd and 17 and we get 10 yards on a run...is that considered a "success"? We can't run out of 3 WR sets most of the game. We need to be able to be multiple. This argument is just going down a rabbit hole.... What are your thoughts on Allen's deep ball accuracy? Looks like he's trying way too hard to put air under the ball and needs to just let it rip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah I won't argue with this but Wentz has showed the ability this year to go deep, over the top deep and hit his WR. Allen hasn't this year. He did it last year...he needs to find it again. We are a bad passing team...again. The Bills are a bad passing team because their quarterback isn't a very good passer. He's still 28th in QB Rating. He's a decent field general, but in no way is Josh Allen someone you want dropping back 40+ times a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Lol I must have missed the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 We are. Rumblin', Bumblin', Stumblin', all of it. Daboll gave Josh the rock 42 times yesterday, compared to just 12 for Frank and Motor (and don't give me the game was out of hand crap, we were only down 11 until that last Iggles TD). How are we not letting Josh be Josh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The Bills are a bad passing team because their quarterback isn't a very good passer. He's still 28th in QB Rating. He's a decent field general, but in no way is Josh Allen someone you want dropping back 40+ times a game. I'm not giving up on him but at the same time, I think it's safe to say that he isn't where we need or want him to be at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: I see a young quarterback that isn’t 100% in trusting his reads and is hesitant at times for fear of the turnover he is still young and learning some patience and growing pains w a young quarterback that in today’s nfl seem to be non existent anymore he won't be learning much longer taking a dozen needless shots a game when he takes off before letting the play develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I must have missed the joke. Jackson has 11 passing TD on the year. 5 of those came in Miami, meaning he's averaging less than a td passing per game, since. Your entire post was the joke, Wayne. Edited October 28, 2019 by Joe in Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I'm not giving up on him but at the same time, I think it's safe to say that he isn't where we need or want him to be at this point. Agreed. Josh isn't terrible, and he's probably a guy who can win 7-9 games each year because he seems to do well late in games and can do enough to beat bad teams, but there's nothing so far that suggests he's ever going to exist in the upper echelon of NFL QBs. There are still way too many simple mistakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Josh is wildly inaccurate. The deep ball completion % is what this year, 0%? And yet, heading into this week he was the MOST accurate passer inside 20 yards. So he's wildly accurate too. That's just wild... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: And yet, heading into this week he was the MOST accurate passer inside 20 yards. So he's wildly accurate too. That's just wild... Did you just learn a new word? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Did you just learn a new word? Yes, I'm wildly in love with the word wild. Edited October 28, 2019 by Bob Chandler's Hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. Josh isn't terrible, and he's probably a guy who can win 7-9 games each year because he seems to do well late in games and can do enough to beat bad teams, but there's nothing so far that suggests he's ever going to exist in the upper echelon of NFL QBs. There are still way too many simple mistakes. I hate that you're right about this. I'm not sold on any of the QBs of that class either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: He is Being Coached into a Game Manager. Who would have thought that would happen from an Ultra Conservative Defensive minded HC. You traded up to 7th overall to get him, to what coach into him to be a Game Manager? This is my pet peeve too. WTF are they doing to him. Timid legs, thinking too much, conservative shots. I want some run and gun. The kid has skills which shouldn't be put into a box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. Josh isn't terrible, and he's probably a guy who can win 7-9 games each year because he seems to do well late in games and can do enough to beat bad teams, but there's nothing so far that suggests he's ever going to exist in the upper echelon of NFL QBs. There are still way too many simple mistakes. We drafted and traded up for him to not be a bottom 1/3 NFL passing team. And that's where we are at. I won't mind the turnovers if he does more good/positive plays. He's compared to Farve a lot because of "gunslinger". Yeah Farve made a lot of dumb decisions and threw a lot of INT's but you can live with that if they also make a lot of positive plays. Right now there isn't enough good from Josh to overcome the bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: Yes, I'm wildly in love with the word wild. Freak? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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