Protocal69 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) This is the play the BILLS could not stop today. Here is a excerpt from Tim Graham article from the Athletic.... https://theathletic.com/1328440/2019/10/27/we-had-to-endure-that-ass-whupping-eagles-use-same-run-play-to-bludgeon-bills-defense/ Philadelphia amassed the most rushing yards in the Doug Pedersen era and defeated Buffalo 31-13 in misty rain and gale-force winds. Pederson kept repeating one play — inside zone left — over and over and over. The Bills’ prideful defense struggled to stop it. “It was the same run,” Eagles right guard Brandon Brooks said. “Maybe a different formation or something, but the same run nonetheless. To continue to be successful, knowing there’s nothing they can do to stop you, there are very few feelings like that. “Everybody in the stadium knows what’s coming. They know it’s coming, yet there’s absolutely nothing they can do to stop you.” It should be interesting couple days in the BILLS defensive film room this week to say the least. I hope we do not have to make a trade to get this fixed. Bills remaining schedule running backs: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019 Redskins: Adrian Peterson, Chris Thompson Run Blocking Power Rank: 32 Cleveland: Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt Run Blocking Power Rank: 24 Miami: Mark Walton, Kalen Ballage Run Blocking Power Rank: 8 Denver: Phillip Lindsay, Royce Freeman: Run Blocking Power Rank: 6 Dallas: Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Pollard Run Blocking Power Rank: 5 Baltimore: Mark Ingram, Gus Edwards Run Blocking Power Rank: Tie 13th Pittsburgh: James Conner, Jaylen Samuels Run Blocking Power Rank: 27 New England: Sony Michel, James White Run Blocking Power Rank: 22 New York Jets: Le'Veon Bell, Ty Montgomery Run Blocking Power Rank: Tie 13th For context before this week games Phi was ranked #1 in Run Blocking Power Edited October 28, 2019 by Protocal69 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Dallas is going to destroy the Bills on both LOS. It’s like the early 90’s again where the NFC is the more physical conference. The Bills will have a shot against Denver because Flacco is a statue and it’s at home. Baltimore is going to be tough. The game that concerns me is the next Dolphins game. The Miami players know this will probably be Miami’s best shot at a win with how close they played the Bills in Buffalo. Edited October 28, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 This is what I thought. Looked like the zone runs were the problem. That means a lot of it has to do with poor gap control. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: This is what I thought. Looked like the zone runs were the problem. That means a lot of it has to do with poor gap control. Yep. Linebackers. And one linebacker in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Linebackers. And one linebacker in particular. Edmunds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Imagine that. A running play that works and they kept running it. I hope Doughball payed attention to that Edited October 28, 2019 by bmur66 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 IMO Edmunds is going to start to come under some pressure from fans if this continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Dallas is going to destroy the Bills on both LOS. It’s like the early 90’s again where the NFC is the more physical conference. The Bills will have a shot against Denver because Flacco is a statue and it’s at home. Baltimore is going to be tough. The game that concerns me is the next Dolphins game. The Miami players know this will probably be Miami’s best shot at a win with how close they played the Bills in Buffalo. Dallas game looms as yet another national TV embarrassment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Maybe it was the rust coming back from injury - but Milano appeared to be the biggest culprit out there. It seemed the Iggles were targeting Wallace and Milano on every offensive play. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Gap control is done primarily by your D linemen. Face it, their lines physically dominated our lines. It's that simple. Yes, Edmunds needs to read plays better so he hits the right space. But their O line dominated the second half, and their D line threw guys from our O line around like rag dolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: This is what I thought. Looked like the zone runs were the problem. That means a lot of it has to do with poor gap control. They had the big run, but mostly it was linemen tackling downfield because they had blocked our linebackers. There were several big negative runs too, that's how noticable the struggles were on like every other play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Very reminiscent of last year's Colt's game. They found a run that worked and just kept pounding away. Calls into question the ability of the DC to adjust. Although if you have guys just getting beat physically I'm not sure how much adjustments would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, chef4131 said: IMO Edmunds is going to start to come under some pressure from fans if this continues. Well, he should 18 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Very reminiscent of last year's Colt's game. They found a run that worked and just kept pounding away. Calls into question the ability of the DC to adjust. Although if you have guys just getting beat physically I'm not sure how much adjustments would help. And OldManFan astutely identifies the other part of the issue. We are pitifullly slow to make adjustments on defense. If a team finds something that works, they can count on it continuing to work. If the scheme adjustment plan is "we weren't fitting the run right last week, so this week we'll just take the same guys and start fitting it right", that's probably an insufficient plan. I do think the Bills coaches felt that having Milano back would make sufficient difference and now they know they're wrong. At least hopefully now they know they're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Protocal69 said: This is the play the BILLS could not stop today. Here is a excerpt for Tim Graham article from the Athletic.... https://theathletic.com/1328440/2019/10/27/we-had-to-endure-that-ass-whupping-eagles-use-same-run-play-to-bludgeon-bills-defense/ Philadelphia amassed the most rushing yards in the Doug Pedersen era and defeated Buffalo 31-13 in misty rain and gale-force winds. Pederson kept repeating one play — inside zone left — over and over and over. The Bills’ prideful defense struggled to stop it. “It was the same run,” Eagles right guard Brandon Brooks said. “Maybe a different formation or something, but the same run nonetheless. To continue to be successful, knowing there’s nothing they can do to stop you, there are very few feelings like that. “Everybody in the stadium knows what’s coming. They know it’s coming, yet there’s absolutely nothing they can do to stop you.” It should be interesting the BILLS defensive film room this week to say the least. I hope we do not have to make a trade to get this fixed. Bills remaining schedule running backs: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019 Redskins: Adrian Peterson, Chris Thompson Run Blocking Power Rank: 32 Cleveland: Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt Run Blocking Power Rank: 24 Miami: Mark Walton, Kalen Ballage Run Blocking Power Rank: 8 Denver: Phillip Lindsay, Royce Freeman: Run Blocking Power Rank: 6 Dallas: Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Pollard Run Blocking Power Rank: 5 Baltimore: Mark Ingram, Gus Edwards Run Blocking Power Rank: Tie 13th Pittsburgh: James Conner, Jaylen Samuels Run Blocking Power Rank: 27 New England: Sony Michel, James White Run Blocking Power Rank: 22 New York Jets: Le'Veon Bell, Ty Montgomery Run Blocking Power Rank: Tie 13th For context before this week games Phi was ranked #1 in Run Blocking Power Good post - good work finding the article and putting the post together. And the inverse of what Brandon Brooks says is also true. When your D continues to be gouged by the same play and there's nothing effective you can do, there are probably very few worse feelings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Who was on the field for those runs? Which of Star, Phillips, Oliver, LoRax and Marlowe? Very curious because from what I saw, Oliver was actually our best and only run defender yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, he should (Edmunds come under pressure) And OldManFan astutely identifies the other part of the issue. We are pitifullly slow to make adjustments on defense. If a team finds something that works, they can count on it continuing to work. If the scheme adjustment plan is "we weren't fitting the run right last week, so this week we'll just take the same guys and start fitting it right", that's probably an insufficient plan. I do think the Bills coaches felt that having Milano back would make sufficient difference and now they know they're wrong. It also reminds me of the Saints game a couple of years ago where they ran the ball down our throats. To this day I never trust the run D of the BILLS under McDermott. Pass Defense Yes. Run Defense NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 They succeeded in the run game yesterday because they physically manhandled the Bills front 7. Scheming may have helped some but they were just physically more dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Who was on the field for those runs? Which of Star, Phillips, Oliver, LoRax and Marlowe? Very curious because from what I saw, Oliver was actually our best and only run defender yesterday. It's very difficult for me to see during commercial film because I 100% have "slow eyes" and the broadcast doesn't usually switch to the actual game action until just before the snap. But from what I did see, they were running a lot of heavy nickle ("Buffalo") with Marlow, and Lorax defensive snaps were down. I think Star was down too and we were seeing Peko. 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: They succeeded in the run game yesterday because they physically manhandled the Bills front 7. Scheming may have helped some but they were just physically more dominant. No, that's not entirely it, @oldmanfan. They broke for big yards with one specific play (inside left zone) because they ID'd a weakness. We were actually getting some good stuffs (no gain, no gain, -1, -1) even late in the 4Q. That's not what happens when you're just getting physically manhandled. That's when their O gets 2-4 yds on every run play. Here, scroll down and have a look at the playby https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201910270buf.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Who was on the field for those runs? Which of Star, Phillips, Oliver, LoRax and Marlowe? Very curious because from what I saw, Oliver was actually our best and only run defender yesterday. They all shared in this. I thought the LB's were the worst part yesterday. Safeties not too far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Linebackers. And one linebacker in particular. He had a bad game, so did the safeties. It can be corrected. I think over all the dline played decent and did their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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