Mr. WEO Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Contract What does it say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Of course this is right before the NE game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: What does it say? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: dang thats nuts, if thats true then the Jests really are a turd organization and will never be successful for any length of time.J 9 hours ago, DRA3196 said: Once again the credibility of the league is in question. Shocker!!! No, just the jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Wow. Whenever something good happens to that franchise they find a way to immediately undermine it. Edited October 19, 2019 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 hours ago, syhuang said: So his choices are keep just showing up for practice and still not play and collect all the money and wait until after the season the have the surgery (he will no longer be a Jet), or show up for practice, book the surgery and if they still cut him he can file a grievance. If his case is as legit as he says it is, he should easily win his arbitration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 16 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: this should go well. ....Gase has his eye on it.....not to worry................. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: So his choices are keep just showing up for practice and still not play and collect all the money and wait until after the season the have the surgery (he will no longer be a Jet), or show up for practice, book the surgery and if they still cut him he can file a grievance. If his case is as legit as he says it is, he should easily win his arbitration. yea the only way it gets complicated seems to be if the jets are actually on the up and up with team doctor and second opinion. though I have often wondered where the line is on a player being able to dictate his treatment and ignoring the details of this case make a decision to get something fixed that he could feasibly play through 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Sunshower said: Josh Allen did come back from that concussion fairly early though but I am no doctor... Keyword, I am no doctor. and then they called two qb sneaks on 4th down in fg territory....? Edited October 19, 2019 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: very bad look for the Jets. Good luck in offseason Bengals and Jets drawing UFAs when it is out you are treating your players (Glenn and Kelechi) like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Adam Gase has a rare gift. . . for destroying teams, ticking off his own players and making trouble with the league, the players association, the press, and just about anyone else you can think of. It is enjoyable to watch from the perspective of a Bills fan. Oh, and his defensive coordinator is no slouch either. Edited October 19, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....Gase has his eye on it.....not to worry................. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: I can't figure this dude out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: What does it say? https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/744265/APPENDIX_A__player_contract_.pdf also see: https://www.nflpa.com/active-players/faq sections on medical rights and workman's comp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I can't figure this dude out! ...wouldn't feel bad......looks in the mirror EVERY morning and the BEST he comes up with is, "WTF"?......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/744265/APPENDIX_A__player_contract_.pdf also see: https://www.nflpa.com/active-players/faq sections on medical rights and workman's comp What part of that have the Jets violated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...wouldn't feel bad......looks in the mirror EVERY morning and the BEST he comes up with is, "WTF"?......... Ted Bundy did that too! Edited October 19, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: A bit of a nit, but actually Toradol is not a narcotic. It's a strong prescription-only NSAID. It is used a lot in NFL locker rooms because it's not an opioid and not potentially addicting, but it can have serious, even fatal side effects including severe GI bleeding or ulcers, kidney and liver disease. It's not supposed to be used for chronic pain (eg recurrently every week) but in the NFL it is. A lot of guys on the lines reportedly wind up getting steroid injections and toradol simultaneously (source: retired NFL player), and they're contraindicated to use together. It's not uncommon for players and teams to have disagreements about whether and when to shut things down vs. tough it out. The Bengals have one going on with Cordy Glenn, who ought by rights to be the starting LT on the team; there were mutterings about Sammy Watkins with the Bills. See a pattern there - it's usually a starter, a guy who was counted on as a key piece. And it usually doesn't end happily - has being publically shamed as a p**** for not toughing it out ever made a star player more motivated to buy in and "give his all" ? Especially where it's reported they planned to bench this guy anyway, it's really weird to air it out in public this loudly. Also it seems kind of sketchy wrt HIPPA for the team to leak info on the guy's medical record. I don't get what the Jets believe they're accomplishing here. If he's JAG and you're planning to bench him anyway, stick him on IR and let him go. So you’re partially right here. Toradol isn’t used for chronic pain but the definition of NFL pain isn’t entirely chronic. GI side effects of toradol can be avoided with GI prophylaxis. I don’t have experience on the field but using Toradol once a week may also be preventative of its side effects. Most regimens of Toradol acutely is every 6 hours for 1-5 days. And it needs to be stopped after 5. Getting a single shot at 11 am on Sunday is a lot less. Also, Toradol and corticosteroids are not contradinicated to use together. You are at increased risk of GI side effects but that’s it. Edited October 19, 2019 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: So you’re partially right here. Toradol isn’t used for chronic pain but the definition of NFL pain isn’t entirely chronic. GI side effects of toradol can be avoided with GI prophylaxis. I don’t have experience on the field but using Toradol once a week may also be preventative of its side effects. Most regimens of Toradol acutely is every 6 hours for 1-5 days. And it needs to be stopped after 5. Getting a single shot at 11 am on Sunday is a lot less. Also, Toradol and corticosteroids are not contradinicated to use together. You are at increased risk of GI side effects but that’s it. Agreed. Toradol has become the standard of care for intra-and post op pain control specifically to avoid narcotics. Like any NSAID (even your Motrin over the counter) it can (rarely) lead to gastric ulcers and even more rarely renal dysfunction---both of which would be typically acute, not years later after use. I don't recall any recent reports of players suffering bleeding ulcer or kidney failure after Toradol use. Those would be rare. The issue is that the nature of the job entails the player to incur at least some injury acutely or chronically---or at least some degree of chronic pain during the season at least. The choices for the player are (in addition to standard PT and trainer treatments): narcotics, anti-inflammatories (NSAIDS and/or cortisone) or nothing else. The latter choice puts their ability to play, and thus their livelihood at risk. So they make a choice, just as many people in this country make a choice to use whatever substances (NSAIDS, narcotics, steroids, stimulants) allow them to continue to work. 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Especially where it's reported they planned to bench this guy anyway, it's really weird to air it out in public this loudly. Also it seems kind of sketchy wrt HIPPA for the team to leak info on the guy's medical record. I don't get what the Jets believe they're accomplishing here. If he's JAG and you're planning to bench him anyway, stick him on IR and let him go. Isn't the player the one who brought this public? What has the Jets org said publically? Others have quoted "insiders" who are defending the Jets decision--in fact, they say both the team Dr and the second opinion have cleared him to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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