Kangaxx Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) Edited October 17, 2019 by BillsFanForReal title change 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) What's their grades based on win/loss record? Edited October 17, 2019 by The Wiz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: What's their rank based on win/loss record? More like based on pure horse *****. That is a joke. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForReal said: Errr, can you put a little context around this? How are they grading QB, why do we care, etc etc etc Nothing against the top of the list (though Carson Wentz over Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson? Seriously?) but I'm suspicious of any grading system that has Chase Daniel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Marcus Mariota graded out so high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Errr, can you put a little context around this? How are they grading QB, why do we care, etc etc etc Nothing against the top of the list (though Carson Wentz over Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson? Seriously?) but I'm suspicious of any grading system that has Chase Daniel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Marcus Mariota graded out so high. PFF is all you need to know. They rank them based on how they think they should be ranked and throw in a little bit of metrics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaxx Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Errr, can you put a little context around this? How are they grading QB, why do we care, etc etc etc Nothing against the top of the list (though Carson Wentz over Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson? Seriously?) but I'm suspicious of any grading system that has Chase Daniel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Marcus Mariota graded out so high. I'm pretty sure it's just their general rankings. Here's their thoughts on the Tennessee game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Like someone said. Only one metric you need. Wins and losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) There’s room for improvement. I’d like to see him have a game or 2 where he goes off and throws for like 350 yards and 3TDs. Edited October 17, 2019 by Bangarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForReal said: I'm pretty sure it's just their general rankings. Here's their thoughts on the Tennessee game. What a couple of tools. Seriously, you can hear the bias dripping off their tongues. Did they even watch the game? "Allen is completing passes but he's still not accurate Bills fans"? What the hell does that even mean? Are these two morons saying that in all those short pass completions the receivers were having to make circus catches? They seem concerned that Allen isn't making "Big Plays" but who on that offense are the "Big Play" guys? Maybe Foster & Singleterry who were both out. And did these two numbskulls even realize that the Bills were without THREE startling offensive lineman? I know I should just ignore these guys but it's hard to ignore STUPID when it's in your face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) JA has a lot of room for improvement, but this list just shows you how meaningless a lot of these statistics are. Winston and Mariota 6 & 7 ... one is benched and one may be soon. These are the same people who dropped the Bills one spot from 19 to 20th (behind the Titans) in their Power rankings. Really almost comical... https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-7-power-rankings. Edited October 17, 2019 by CorkScrewHill added content 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: What a couple of tools. Seriously, you can hear the bias dripping off their tongues. Did they even watch the game? "Allen is completing passes but he's still not accurate Bills fans"? What the hell does that even mean? Are these two morons saying that in all those short pass completions the receivers were having to make circus catches? They seem concerned that Allen isn't making "Big Plays" but who on that offense are the "Big Play" guys? Maybe Foster & Singleterry who were both out. And did these two numbskulls even realize that the Bills were without THREE startling offensive lineman? I know I should just ignore these guys but it's hard to ignore STUPID when it's in your face. John Brown has made a career of being a burner and catching the deep ball. He’s a big play waiting to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: What a couple of tools. Seriously, you can hear the bias dripping off their tongues. Did they even watch the game? "Allen is completing passes but he's still not accurate Bills fans"? What the hell does that even mean? Are these two morons saying that in all those short pass completions the receivers were having to make circus catches? They seem concerned that Allen isn't making "Big Plays" but who on that offense are the "Big Play" guys? Maybe Foster & Singleterry who were both out. And did these two numbskulls even realize that the Bills were without THREE startling offensive lineman? I know I should just ignore these guys but it's hard to ignore STUPID when it's in your face. I liked how he followed it up with "he completed 72% of his passes" and the other guy just stuck to his guns and said he's still not accurate again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForReal said: I'm pretty sure it's just their general rankings. Here's their thoughts on the Tennessee game. LOLOLOL! "He's completing passes....he's still not accurate...BILLS FANS" Even the TV announcers who were calling the game said in kind of a bemused tone words to the effect "People say Josh Allen needs to become more accurate, I don't see how he can get more accurate than that" I think there's "confirmation bias" at work here...BIG TIME 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, CorkScrewHill said: JA has a lot of room for improvement, but this list just shows you how meaningless a lot of these statistics are. Winston and Mariota 6 & 7 ... one is benched and one may be soon. How you are against the blitz isn’t meaningless. It also doesn’t mean that being good against the blitz means you’re a world beater. It’s merely a component of having to play QB. The more things you are consistently good at then the better you and your team will be. This place is so quick to dismiss things simply because Allen isn’t among the greats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, CorkScrewHill said: JA has a lot of room for improvement, but this list just shows you how meaningless a lot of these statistics are. Winston and Mariota 6 & 7 ... one is benched and one may be soon. And it's not just those two. How is Baker Mayfield rated that much higher then Allen. It takes a special type of number crunching to come up with that metric. Maybe the analytics guys are giving Winston bonus points for throwing 5 INT's in one game while Allen only threw 3. And in the case of Winston he threw his against a much weaker defense then Allen did. And maybe Mariota got bonus points for losing to Buffalo and scoring only 1 TD in the process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 They want JA to be bad. If he isn't they lose a lot of credibility and even money, because teams are using their metrics to pick players. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: How you are against the blitz isn’t meaningless. It also doesn’t mean that being good against the blitz means you’re a world beater. It’s merely a component of having to play QB. The more things you are consistently good at then the better you and your team will be. This place is so quick to dismiss things simply because Allen isn’t among the greats. And Winston, Mariota and Mayfield are? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bangarang said: There’s room for improvement. I’d like to see him have a game or 2 where he goes off and throws for like 350 yards and 3TDs. Oh Hey, like MARIOTA? Who is also by ESPN "Top Against the Blitz"? He's had something like 8 300+ yard games, including one this season. And something like 10 games where he's thrown ?3 TDs, too, including 2 this season. Wonder why he just got benched, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Blah. Blah, blah, blah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: And Winston, Mariota and Mayfield are? What point are you even arguing here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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