ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 hours ago, HiddenInLight said: The colts have a pretty cool stadium/convention center combo in the middle of the city. Its pretty nice but parking there sucks. Badly. Actually it doesn't suck. We parked there last year in a parking garage a little bit away and I think we only paid $4 with SpotHero. We didn't mind the walk through downtown. It was a garage that is used for business during the week. I betcha there is even free parking in Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: People come from Toronto and Rochester and Syracuse and the burbs, there needs to be a clean exit from downtown so people aren't backed up for 3-4-5 hours which is totally possible This is just crazy speculation. 3-5 hours just to get out of downtown? Without adding any new infrastructure, by just deploying traffic control at the choke points, traffic would move at a good pace. Getting out of downtown in 20 minutes? No, but you also would not be sitting in traffic for anywhere close to 3-5 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, The Dean said: Without radical downtown reconstruction, and a MAJOR rapid transit infrastructure improvement process, a downtown stadium in Buffalo is a recipe for disaster, IMO. I'm quite certain the Pegulas will include a traffic study when considering any site. I would be shocked if they came back and said Buffalo would be paralyzed by a stadium. How on earth do we deal with events like the Allentown Arts Festival with this debilitating RADICAL GRID I never heard of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Who's "big money"? Erie County owns the stadium now. The NFL is full of Multi billionaires, making billions of dollars annually, and many counties have torn down their old stadiums, and “written it off” within the deal made with the multi billionaires to put up a bigger and better version. Tax payers come last, and are only given lip service, the true financial manipulations will never see the light of day, you and I both know this to be true. None of us know what the monopoly will do, we only speculate on what might occur. Me, if they are gonna build a new one, make it multi use, domed and put it in the city of Buffalo, were it will have the best odds of being a good thing for the little businesses, restauranteurs, bar owners, etc, and even new hotel owners, it’s good for the tax base of the City, Sleepy bedroom communities (suburbs) don’t need or generally want a bunch of drunk sports fans in there towns anyways, ? yeah, i’m Pro city, won’t deny it... Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I don't think there will be any news on the stadium situation until after the new CBA is signed after the 2020 season. I may be missing something, but this makes A LOT of sense to me. Why start such an enormous project before knowing what the future looks like? No rush to get it done before that, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I'm probably in the minority, but I think the arena is kind of a dump and should be priority #1 when it comes to discussing new stadiums/arenas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I may be missing something, but this makes A LOT of sense to me. Why start such an enormous project before knowing what the future looks like? No rush to get it done before that, right? It was hinted at by some writers (I don't remember who) after one of the owner meetings. I also think the Pegula timetable that they seem to be following also links up to that time. When I seen that I remembered saying that it made sense too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I don't think there will be any news on the stadium situation until after the new CBA is signed after the 2020 season. I think you are likely correct. All this talk about a new stadium and none of it coming from the Pegulas. They don't seem to be in any particular hurry. I remember some saying, right when they bought the team, there was already a new stadium plan in place. According to those people construction would already be well under way, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: The park systems just show how the city is connected with a RADICAL GRID, which you can still see, it was built to maximize walking and bike riding over cars There are only 3 cities in America that share a grid plan with buffalo and Minneapolis and Cleveland and Detroit are not one I don't believe And you CANNOT RELY on public transit. The Bills or sabres cannot use that mindset.. they need to have exitways and spaces for 100,000 people on Bills Sundays downtown, which isn't available yet People come from Toronto and Rochester and Syracuse and the burbs, there needs to be a clean exit from downtown so people aren't backed up for 3-4-5 hours which is totally possible BFLo is a radial city. I agree with you, the last thing Buffalo needs is the Bills downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, stony said: I'm probably in the minority, but I think the arena is kind of a dump and should be priority #1 when it comes to discussing new stadiums/arenas. It's sterile. I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, LabattBlue said: This is just crazy speculation. 3-5 hours just to get out of downtown? Without adding any new infrastructure, by just deploying traffic control at the choke points, traffic would move at a good pace. Getting out of downtown in 20 minutes? No, but you also would not be sitting in traffic for anywhere close to 3-5 hours. A better description would be adding 2-3 hours or more cumulatively for the drive time for many going to the north or east of downtown. It would be far more than just deploying a couple dozen cops to the nearest blocks of the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: It's sterile. I agree with you. The Indianapolis experience is the ultimate in sterile. It's quite disturbing! Hope that never happens to BFLo! Nothing compares to BFLo in Orchard Park, maybe Green Bay around Lambeau. Kansas City... All old buisness models. Chicago is a joke. Be prepared to drop a grand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: They will re-build the Hockey Arena along with the new downtown Football stadium all at the same time. Or at least as one big, long project. Parking and roadways will be re-done. They arent just going to jam a big new stadium into the existing area. The whole section of the city will be re-done. New entrances to the 190, etc. Parking and roadways being redone will cost tens of millions of dollars. I know somebody connected with the state Thruway Authority and it cost millions just to double lane existing exits and entrances at exit 41 for Del Lago Casino. Fire fighting, law enforcement, and utilities have been right sized for Orchard Park in terms of when New Era is hosting a NFL game. All that will have to be replicated if placed elsewhere. How much more property tax do Erie County residents want to pay for the bragging rights of having a new stadium within the Buffalo city limits. Not many I would guess and don't look for Albany Andy to help with state dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Parking and roadways being redone will cost tens of millions of dollars. I know somebody connected with the state Thruway Authority and it cost millions just to double lane existing exits and entrances at exit 41 for Del Lago Casino. Fire fighting, law enforcement, and utilities have been right sized for Orchard Park in terms of when New Era is hosting a NFL game. All that will have to be replicated if placed elsewhere. How much more property tax do Erie County residents want to pay for the bragging rights of having a new stadium within the Buffalo city limits. Not many I would guess and don't look for Albany Andy to help with state dollars. Not to mention the Sky Way route will be closed down and repurposed. Of course one can come in and leave other ways... But it's an traffic artery that is being shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: The park systems just show how the city is connected with a RADICAL GRID, which you can still see, it was built to maximize walking and bike riding over cars There are only 3 cities in America that share a grid plan with buffalo and Minneapolis and Cleveland and Detroit are not one I don't believe And you CANNOT RELY on public transit. The Bills or sabres cannot use that mindset.. they need to have exitways and spaces for 100,000 people on Bills Sundays downtown, which isn't available yet People come from Toronto and Rochester and Syracuse and the burbs, there needs to be a clean exit from downtown so people aren't backed up for 3-4-5 hours which is totally possible Ever been to a Yankees home game? that’s a sports stadium packed into a very densely populated area, and people have no problem going to and from games via walking, car, train, and buses, while surrounded by a million other people going about there day, it is not some insurmountable issue you seem to make it. That, and there aren’t going to be more than a hundred and twenty-five thousand People plus or minus in the area at entry and exit times, and only about seventy thousand ish will be attending a game so traffic clearing would average two ish to three hours before the majority of people are well on their road home. Even at the Cap it takes one to three hours just to to be on the highway after a game, and many people are willing wait an hour before they even start their engines, and that’s with seventy thousand ish people at the stadium for a game surrounded by the local population going about their day. Moving people ain’t that hard to do. You just make select two lane roads both outbound after a game for a couple hours, cities have been doing this sort of stuff for decades it ain’t no big thing. That and infrastructure will have been modified as part of the construction plan from the get go, so again it’s no big deal. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Ever been to a Yankees home game? that’s a sports stadium packed into a very densely populated area, and people have no problem going to and from games via walking, car, train, and buses, while surrounded by a million other people going about there day, it is not some insurmountable issue you seem to make it. That, and there aren’t going to be more than a hundred and twenty-five thousand People plus or minus in the area at entry and exit times, and only about seventy thousand ish will be attending a game so traffic clearing would average two ish to three hours before the majority of people are well on their road home. Even at the Cap it takes one to three hours just to to be on the highway after a game, and many people are willing wait an hour before they even start their engines, and that’s with seventy thousand ish people at the stadium for a game surrounded by the local population going about their day. Moving people ain’t that hard to do. You just make select two lane roads both outbound after a game for a couple hours, cities have been doing this sort of stuff for decades it ain’t no big thing. That and infrastructure will have been modified as part of the construction plan from the get go, so again it’s no big deal. Go Bills!!! Unless you are accustomed to public transportation a person is not going to readily adapt to it. That is the difference between Yankee stadium which is in a metropolitan area that makes great use of public transportation and Western New York where most people drive their own vehicle to get to where they want to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Ever been to a Yankees home game? that’s a sports stadium packed into a very densely populated area, and people have no problem going to and from games via walking, car, train, and buses, while surrounded by a million other people going about there day, it is not some insurmountable issue you seem to make it. That, and there aren’t going to be more than a hundred and twenty-five thousand People plus or minus in the area at entry and exit times, and only about seventy thousand ish will be attending a game so traffic clearing would average two ish to three hours before the majority of people are well on their road home. Even at the Cap it takes one to three hours just to to be on the highway after a game, and many people are willing wait an hour before they even start their engines, and that’s with seventy thousand ish people at the stadium for a game surrounded by the local population going about their day. Moving people ain’t that hard to do. You just make select two lane roads both outbound after a game for a couple hours, cities have been doing this sort of stuff for decades it ain’t no big thing. That and infrastructure will have been modified as part of the construction plan from the get go, so again it’s no big deal. Go Bills!!! The infrastructure needs to be alot more than modified to make it super accessible I'm not the only one saying that People act like it's a guarente it's going downtown and that is far from a fact It takes 1-3 hours to get of OP as you even said, Downtown would be WAY worse 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: Unless you are accustomed to public transportation a person is not going to readily adapt to it. That is the difference between Yankee stadium which is in a metropolitan area that makes great use of public transportation and Western New York where most people drive their own vehicle to get to where they want to go. Truth Buffalo is nothing like NYC transportation wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Not to mention the Sky Way route will be closed down and repurposed. Of course one can come in and leave other ways... But it's an traffic artery that is being shut down. The Skyway is going nowhere. It will still be there and cars going across it for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 hours ago, HOUSE said: You used the dreaded " Hear me out" OMG Although I didn't call him an idiot, I gave serious consideration to doing so for those three words alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: The Skyway is going nowhere. It will still be there and cars going across it for decades. I thought the winning design calls for this: How are cars going to go down that thing. Can't wait till it snows... Be like the toboggan chutes @ Chestnut Ridge Park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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