I can only conclude that the lack of PI challenges succeeding is a revolt by the officials

[White Linen]

Whatever it is, it's pretty embarrassing for the league. 

 

To me, the game is less enjoyable to watch then ever before.  

[BillsVet]

How much of this has to be the league's officials (including Riveron) protecting their own and refusing to overturn something that is subjective?

 

Edit: Speaking of challenges, McD is 1-12 during his tenure as Bills HC. 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0.htm

 

Something's amiss.

Edited October 14, 2019 by BillsVet

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

it it still subjective in a bang band full speed review.  

 

It has to be a hit with enough of duration [pause] for it to be clearly a flag.    Otherwise IMO you are gambling on how a ref saw it. 

 

The playoff game was HIT, pause, ball gets to the WR.   Clear and obvious except to the Refs on the field!!! 

[dave mcbride]

14 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Look at overturned PI weeks 1-3 and compare it to weeks 4-6.  The refs haven't revolted. The league told them to stop the reversals.

I dunno. Riveron is the guy making the decisions. It maybe that Goodell is supportive, but it starts with Riveron. Always remember that the owners - Goodell's bosses - voted for this rule! I think they should simply get rid of the option given how badly this is playing out. That won't happen until next year at the earliest, of course. 

Edited October 14, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

I can only conclude thats its the NFLs snub to the owners who want legit officiating in leiu of fixed NFL narratives.

 

Its appalling to see lack of reversals with clear evidence in many instances. 

Maybe, but again the game would be completely different ( and probably a lot less popular) if OPI were strictly enforced in every instance. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I agree it certainly seems to be the case.  But why only with PI calls, why not say "Nope everything we called is correct, ruling on the field stands" 100% of the time. 

 

Too long ago now to recall, i nthe first couple of seasons of replay, were there less calls over turned? 

[BuffaninSarasota]

I am convinced college football officiating is better (.....and the game is easier to watch) compared to the NFL.

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I agree it certainly seems to be the case.  But why only with PI calls, why not say "Nope everything we called is correct, ruling on the field stands" 100% of the time. 

 

Too long ago now to recall, i nthe first couple of seasons of replay, were there less calls over turned? 

Because only a limited number of things are challengeable under the rules. PI is really the first time they have allowed challenges to a “ judgment call” and then only reluctantly. Changing the calls could have huge effects on the game, because the rules aren’t enforced to the letter. Pandora’s box would be opened. Those other calls such as spots, catches are really not judgment calls, just video evidence is used because of the speed of the game. Using video evidence when things are seen but let go due to judgment is another story. 

Edited October 14, 2019 by Boatdrinks

[Jobot]

8 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

I am convinced college football officiating is better (.....and the game is easier to watch) compared to the NFL.

 

Idk, it's wayy too often that I see a play get challenged in a college game, very clearly know myself what the call should be, and at the same time I also assume that the college ref will get it wrong... and they often do.

[MJS]

The one against the Pats should have been overturned for sure, but most of the challenges I have seen are rightfully allowed to stand. Coaches should be saving it for when it's obvious.

 

Although, maybe it's a tactic to slow down the game and give your players a breather while the officials are reviewing the play?

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

I am convinced college football officiating is better (.....and the game is easier to watch) compared to the NFL.

the pros are far quicker and way more athletic, so it is harder to officiate the NFL

 

replay once again hasn’t solved all the problems? Really????!

 

 

 

[eanyills]

24 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

I can only conclude thats its the NFLs snub to the owners who want legit officiating in leiu of fixed NFL narratives.

 

Its appalling to see lack of reversals with clear evidence in many instances. 

 

Goodell and the administrative officers of the league are essentially employers of the owners. They work on their behalf. This is what the owners want, to some degree. I think Boatdrinks has it absolutely right in their assessment.

 

If the “NFL” ever snubbed the majority wish of the owners, the league office would be wiped clean the following season. Make no mistake who sets the tone for the rules and policies the league carries out.

Edited October 14, 2019 by eanyills

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

7 minutes ago, Jobot said:

 

Idk, it's wayy too often that I see a play get challenged in a college game, very clearly know myself what the call should be, and at the same time I also assume that the college ref will get it wrong... and they often do.

 

I will say one thing about the college replay system, it seems to take much less time to get a ruling, game is n't slowed down as much.

[Punching Bag]

52 minutes ago, Jobot said:

The NFL is way too accepting of rule changes off a whim.  Majority of the new rule changes just make the game more difficult to watch.

Side note, maybe related, but are refs still not full time employees/are they pissed about this?

 

Most of them have full time jobs preventing this.  Some are quite high up jobs.

 

At some point in future a referee will be identified as one who screwed up call costing a team a playoff spot or playoff game.

Then a fan of that team who is VIP in company doing business with company referee works for decides to not to business with company due to judgement of official.

This will certainly stir a hornet's nest about officials having a primary job.

 

This happened at one job. An employee was identified as leader of protest and company he was protesting was customer of ours.

He was told to issue an official apology and refused and was let go for conflict of interest.

[John Gianelli]

Here's a radical solution that would make every game much more watchable, and provide some justice in the long run.

 

Eliminate all reviews during the game. 

 

So on any particular bad call the fans of Team A will be angry, while the fans of Team B will be relieved. But the game is sped up signficantly. No more interminable waiting to see if a call is overturned.

 

Where does the justice come in? At the end of the season, give significant compensatory draft picks to the teams that were screwed the most by bad calls. The system is already in place for it, because the league rates officials at the end of the year. Those who miss the most calls are dismissed. The best officials are rewarded with the chance to officiate playoff games and the Super Bowl. So when the league does the rating, it can keep a tally of which teams had the most calls missed against them. You would weight the calls, giving more weight to calls that occurred: a) in the last two minutes of a game; b) on scoring plays; c) on go-ahead or game-winning calls; d) during the playoffs. If I remember correctly, the missed call against the Rams' Nickell Robey-Coleman was in the last two minutes, and was during a playoff game. So it would be weighted more than a missed out-of-bounds call on the opening drive in a Bengals-Dolphins regular season game.

 

When all the games have been graded, tally up the points.

 

The team that was the recipient of the most bad calls gets a compensatory first round draft pick, the team with the second-most gets a second round draft pick, etc. Once you get past the seventh team, tough luck.

 

You might even find out that over the course of a season the bad calls tend to even out among the teams. In that case, give every team a compensatory first round pick except the Patriots. 

 

 

 

  

Edited October 14, 2019 by John Gianelli

[CaptnCoke11]

39 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

I am convinced college football officiating is better (.....and the game is easier to watch) compared to the NFL.

I do prefer college football to pros but one big fault with college football is the games take up to 4 hours 

[Mark Vader]

32 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

I do prefer college football to pros but one big fault with college football is the games take up to 4 hours 

So? You got something better to do?

 

The longer a football game goes, the better. I wish the NFL never sped up the game. It was fine the way it was.

[dave mcbride]

41 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

I do prefer college football to pros but one big fault with college football is the games take up to 4 hours 

Halftime shows. Marching bands.

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Sean McDermott, I hope you're reading this: never challenge a PI/non-PI call for the rest of the season. I know you succeeded in week one, but literally NOTHING is being overturned now -- even blatantly obvious stuff. It is really unbelievable. 

 

 

I think we all misunderstood what the rule change was about.   They are not reviewing pass interference to see if it could have been called differently, or even should have been called differently.   They are only overturning calls where the official missed the play the way it was missed in the Saints' playoff game.   That is, they are only going to overturn the call if the defender deliberately interfered with the receiver knowing he was interfering, and the interference clearly made the receiver unable to make the catch.

 

That play you show does not meet the standard, at all.   The defender didn't take out the receiver - it was just really tight coverage.   Yes, it absolutely was pass interference and should have been called on the field, but they aren't going to overturn it just because the ref probably should have called it the other way.   

 

The refs clearly are allowing more contact without calling interference, and that's a good thing - the game is going back to where it was five or ten years ago, before they screwed up the catch rule and started calling every touch pass interference.   It's better this way.   But on replay, when they see that kind of contact, they aren't going to overturn the refs call.   It has to be much worse than on this video before they'll overturn anything.

 

It's easy for the coaches.   All they have to do is ask themselves if the play looked like Nickel-Robey's hit in the Saints game.  If it was outrageous like that, throw the flag.   Otherwise, you have to live with it.

 

I don't think the review rule is written the way I describe it, but that's clearly how they're interpreting it.  

[TigerJ]

There must be some referee in the pro game with some integrity.  Hopefully the league will can Al Riveron after the season and replace him with somebody that has at least a little integrity.