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Was the Music City Miracle lateral legal? No bias, please answer honestly

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8 minutes ago, CajunBillsBacker said:

Yes, exactly? That picture is pointing out that the ball traveled slightly backwards. Which is exactly what I said. What’s your point?

 

My point is somehow I quoted the wrong person.

 

My post was intended for Xwnyer. 

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5 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

lateral3.gif

 

It's a heartbreaking way to lose a playoffs game before 17years drought. That's why Bills fans can't accept it was a legal lateral.

But for me this picture is the end of discussion.

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8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

We were not likely going to win another game anyway, we weren’t that good.  People hold on to this like it was a Kelly led team in his prime.

 

Why does anyone even still care about this game so much?  We weren’t close to the best team in the AFC

Bills lost to Titans by this miracle.

Titans lost Super Bowl by 1 yard.

It sounds like Bills had Super Bowl odds that year

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7 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

For a better sense of scale.

 

But please, keep crying about how it was SO OBVIOUS the ball "gained yardage" to be a forward pass.  Ball ended up no where near the 26, ended up closer to the 25 than when it was released.

lateral3.gif

 

What's your agenda, exactly?  We beat your sorry Titan team this year, when it counts.

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9 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

I'm not sure how you can say to pay attention to where the ball is and still say it was illegal.  Doesn't look like the ball was thrown from behind the line to me, he's reaching forward and throwing sidearm.

 

 

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Look at the picture I made and show me where the ball "gained yardage".

Watch the video.  Still photos, especially ones spliced together, don't work. A still from anywhere along that axis will tell any story you want.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Watch the video.  Still photos, especially ones spliced together, don't work. A still from anywhere along that axis will tell any story you want.

 

 

 

:20-:23

 

 

Correct.  The still photo is not at all clear and is misleading.  The video shows that it clearly was a forward pass.

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yes, perfectly legal by sight and replay

 

watch rugby to get a better natural view of what a backward pass looks like in real time

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since some fans highly prize resentment and grumbling and pissing and moaning, this was the perfect gift for this pathological mindset:

 

1)  a close play to convince yerself you got ripped off, you blame everything under the sun anyways so this is a good cow's cud to regurgitate and chew on for 60 years of your life;

 

and

 

2) your god Flutie was snubbed for this game, so you can nurse this grudge ON TOP OF the first point for the rest of your life

 

 

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2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Correct.  The still photo is not at all clear and is misleading.  The video shows that it clearly was a forward pass.

Stills are ALWAYS MISLEADING. Go anywhere along that axis and it will show anything you want.  Don't even attempt to win an argument by splicing two stills together = FakeNews!®

 

You have to watch it in real time.  He clearly throws it foward.

 

Well... At least they got it right last weekend with Marriota's illegal forward pass.  20 years too late!

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On 10/9/2019 at 5:25 PM, BrycePaup4ever said:

I wish it was in HD because it is grainy, but looking at it frame by frame (ya i need a life) i think it was legal by an inch or two. I also wonder why Wade even called a timeout before the FG kick. How often is there a bad snap where they cover it up and try again?Seemed like karma for Wade or Ralph for benching Flutie. Off the record, i dont think the special teams coach deserved to be fired over that.

its a niracle because it was a bad non call of a forward pass

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Back at the time of the game, a physics professor (I believe) at UB wrote a piece which I think appeared in the Buffalo News.

 

He analyzed everything there was to analyze and concluded the lateral was a forward pass.

 

I'm sure you can find it if you wander around on Google.

 

 

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I don't care. It's long gone, and bad calls are part of the game. Let the refs call it like they see it on the field, for better or worse. For the good of the game, I would much rather have questionable calls than instant replay, which ruins the experience in my opinion. 

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So we crack the case here yet, fellas? Should we get Rob Johnson on the horn about the league mandated redo?

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1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Back at the time of the game, a physics professor (I believe) at UB wrote a piece which I think appeared in the Buffalo News.

 

He analyzed everything there was to analyze and concluded the lateral was a forward pass.

 

I'm sure you can find it if you wander around on Google.

 

 


At this point it ultimately comes down to a simple question 

 

do you believe the refs should hold their flags unless it’s an egregious violation and “let em play” or do you think the flag comes out on anything borderline

 

 

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On 10/9/2019 at 11:24 PM, ExiledInIllinois said:

It's obvious.  Forward.  He throws it on the line and the ball is caught in front of the line.

 

End of story.  The ball went forward, gained yardage.  Slow it down and look at it. Pretty obvious.  I just watched it again.  Ball gains yardage.

It would have been overturned today in HD and the incredible amount of cameras today. The ball was released on 25 and caught ahead of 25. Pretty obvious.

 

Wychek's foot was on the 25. The ball was not released anywhere near the 25. Where the ball was released is the important part.

 

The only logical reason that people can think it was a forwards pass is if they simply don't know what the rule is.

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Actually, it wasn't clearly one or the other, which is why it's a controversy.  People are seeing what they want to see.  Where Wycheck and Dyson's body parts were don't matter.  I think the still photo evidence is actually pretty solid.  I don't understand the argument that it isn't.  One of those calls that comes down to the officials judgement.  Either way this was called, I don't think there's enough evidence to reverse the call on the field.

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On 10/10/2019 at 9:52 AM, Happy Gilmore said:

 

What's your agenda, exactly?  We beat your sorry Titan team this year, when it counts.

I'm sorry, when have I ever said anything indicating I was a Titans fan?  Thanks for further proving you are delusional.

 

I won't apologize for observing objective reality. 

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Are there any similarities between that team and this team? I think I remember a few ugly wins that year. 13 - 10 type games. Both great defenses. Both 4-1 starts. Cowart was a monster back then. 98 team was 11th in yards gained and #1 in yards against. I think this year they are currently 12th and 3rd, respectively. That 98 team was good, but more of a veteran core I think. This years team has a younger foundation and is being built for the haul. 

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On 10/10/2019 at 10:30 AM, ExiledInIllinois said:

Watch the video.  Still photos, especially ones spliced together, don't work. A still from anywhere along that axis will tell any story you want.

 

 

 

:20-:23

 

 

On 10/10/2019 at 10:42 AM, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Correct.  The still photo is not at all clear and is misleading.  The video shows that it clearly was a forward pass.

 

22 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Stills are ALWAYS MISLEADING. Go anywhere along that axis and it will show anything you want.  Don't even attempt to win an argument by splicing two stills together = FakeNews!®

 

You have to watch it in real time.  He clearly throws it foward.

 

Well... At least they got it right last weekend with Marriota's illegal forward pass.  20 years too late!

 

Except when the ONLY RELEVANT THINGS are where the release point of the throw, and the catch point are.  The ball can get caught in a twister and go zipping up and down and around the field, it doesn't matter.  The ball can be blatantly thrown forward 20 yards into the air, but if a gust of wind blows it back to the line of where it is thrown, that's all that matters.

 

Still photos are actually perfect for capturing those points as they eliminate the confusing "optical illusions" of the throw.  It's literally the opposite of misleading.  The video itself is what is misleading.  But then again, true homers don't care for facts so any I present to you will face willful ignorance. 

 

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I also object to "A still from anywhere along that axis will tell any story you want", because any story you could tell from ANY OTHER STILLS WOULD BE IRRELEVANT.  Seriously, I don't know how many times you have to be told that you can't just ignore the rules of a lateral for it to sink in.  You're doing exactly what you object to about the stills.  You are choosing to tell your own flawed story based on the rest of the "stills" that only incorrectly appear to show the ball going forward based on flawed and easily fooled human perceptions. 

 

18 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Back at the time of the game, a physics professor (I believe) at UB wrote a piece which I think appeared in the Buffalo News.

 

He analyzed everything there was to analyze and concluded the lateral was a forward pass.

 

I'm sure you can find it if you wander around on Google.

 

 

 

All that proves is professors can be ignorant of football rules as well.  That's the argument from authority fallacy.  "Your facts mean nothing because fancy man with a title disagrees with you".

 

Also anyone with an agenda can twist numbers and data to come to any conclusion they want.  That's university statistics 101.

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