Josh's foot work in the first qtr - Woof

[CardinalScotts]

the quarterback or our linemen?

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

1st vid, All Allen nothing to be blamed on the OL

2nd Vid. All Allen nothing to be blamed on the OL

3rd basically your saying that Allen felt pressure and decided to throw and long ball floater off the back foot to compensate. THE QB NEEDS TO KNOW YOU DO NOT FORCE THAT THROW.

 

You cannot blame the RT for Allen  feeling pressure and deciding to throw a long floater off balance, Allen needs to throw that away or make a high percentage decision 

It is on Allen, it was his throw and his poor mechanics; you cannot however, excuse the awfulness of Ford at RT

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Are you serious?

 

There is no one anywhere around Allen on any of those plays.

 

That's pitch and catch, and he' throwing balls that are so inaccurate his wide open receivers can barely get a hand on them.

you're awful busy here today. you like showing up after a loss, eh

[Ramza86]

He was panicked from the get go. 

 

I think he gave the pats D a little too much respect. 

[ddaryl]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

It is on Allen, it was his throw and his poor mechanics; you cannot however, excuse the awfulness of Ford at RT

 

I just did and will again. Yes our RT is average, (NOT HORRIBLE) but Josh needs to take the underneath stuff more to compensate

 

Josh had no business throwing off his back foot when it was clear to me and you that Allen saw and felt pressure coming. He knows its coming he knows what happens when he throws with bad mechanics he made the decision anyways. 

if I'm going to blame someone other than Josh I blame the coaches for not having a quick pass game plan and instead drew up plays that requires a dependable pocket against a good Defense

 

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by ddaryl

[Lurker]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

I just did and will again. Yes our RT is average, (NOT HORRIBLE) but Josh needs to take the underneath stuff more to compensate

 

Josh had no business throwing off his back foot when it was clear to me and you that Allen saw and felt pressure coming. He knows its coming he knows what happens when he throws with bad mechanics he made the decision anyways. 

if I'm going to blame someone other than Josh I blame the coaches for not having a quick pass game plan and instead drew up plays that requires a dependable pocket against a good Defense

 

 

 

I do agree with you on this.    The early success Josh had this year was based on short / quick throws.   Over the past two weeks, he's reverted to more of a long ball game--thereby putting his RTs in a bad place.     I think it may be a function of the higher amount of blitzing he's seeing, which could be messing with his reads/decision making.

 

McD's post game comment about taking what the D gives seems to imply as much--that the INTs were on Josh and not the play call.    The coaching staff have to get him back to the "structured Josh" we saw in games 1-2 and not the "playground Josh" we saw yesterday...

[SectionC3]

25 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

yep, if I remember correctly there was absolutely nobody on that side of the field too. Would have been a massive gain

 

 

That wasn’t even the “worst” missed connection to me yesterday.  The quick slant from Barkley to Brown that Brown seemingly dropped might have gone for a touchdown.  From my vantage point in the stadium it looked like Brown tried to stay on his feet to catch the ball because he recognized the acres of room around him.  Irrespective of whether the ball was catchable a better throw there might have changed the game. 

[Reed83HOF]

16 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

I just did and will again. Yes our RT is average, (NOT HORRIBLE) but Josh needs to take the underneath stuff more to compensate

 

Josh had no business throwing off his back foot when it was clear to me and you that Allen saw and felt pressure coming. He knows its coming he knows what happens when he throws with bad mechanics he made the decision anyways. 

if I'm going to blame someone other than Josh I blame the coaches for not having a quick pass game plan and instead drew up plays that requires a dependable pocket against a good Defense

 

 

 

Ford is not an average LT, if that is your definition of average...oooh boy

[Mrbojanglezs]

First clip. RT destroyed off the snap in his face right away

[Patrick Duffy]

I don't know what Josh's problem was man, don't know if he just had the jitters because the Pats were in town this time around or not but he was definitely off his game. I was getting so frustrated watching it.

 

Hopefully he learns from this and only gets better as the season progresses.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[peterpan]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

How many franchise QBs struggle to throw a 5 yard out?

 

The Gore play drove me crazy. The linebacker literally falls over, Allen sees it, and still doesn't throw him the ball.

 

Such a boneheaded decision. 

Not really.  I'll give Josh credit, throwing that deep flag route was the right decision, mentally.  I'm actually happy to see him throw that instead of the easy flat pass. 

 

It's a touchdown right at the pylon if he throws the ball well.  But his feet weren't set and he underthrew it.  

 

It's a pattern of play he has had since college.  His feet are just not consistent.

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Not really.  I'll give Josh credit, throwing that deep flag route was the right decision, mentally.  I'm actually happy to see him throw that instead of the easy flat pass. 

 

It's a touchdown right at the pylon if he throws the ball well.  But his feet weren't set and he underthrew it.  

 

It's a pattern of play he has had since college.  His feet are just not consistent.

 

The guy covering Frank Gore fell down.

 

Gore might run down the field and score. There's no one within 20 yards of him. 

 

If the defense is in man coverage, and a defender falls down, you throw it to the guy he was covering. 

[peterpan]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

 

 

The big thing I see in two of those clips is that our RT can't give him Josh any time and he's rushing his reads/throws.  

 

One of Josh's biggest problems right now is having Ford at RT (it killed Barkley as well)...

 

 

Sure did.

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

It's obvious man coverage (the Pats play it more than anyone else in the NFL). 

 

Allen fakes to Gore, looks up and sees that Gore is WIDE OPEN, and for some reason doesn't throw him the ball.

 

If you identify that a defense is in man coverage, and one of the guys covering one of your receivers falls over, you throw him the damn ball.

 

The decision making on that play was absolutely mind boggling how stupid it was. Nothing about it makes any sense unless he couldn't properly read a simple coverage. 

Allen maybe the right throw.  In most any pass progression you look at your long route first, especially after a fake.  Zay Jones was wide open for an easy TD, if it was a good throw.    There's no reason to even look at Gore as your 3rs/4th read. 

[jrober38]

Just now, peterpan said:

Sure did.

Allen maybe the right throw.  In most any pass progression you look at your long route first, especially after a fake.  Zay Jones was wide open for an easy TD, if it was a good throw.    There's no reason to even look at Gore as your 3rs/4th read. 

 

He looked at Gore before he threw it to Jones...

[peterpan]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

He looked at Gore before he threw it to Jones...

I don't see that at all.  It looks to me like Josh is locked on Jones.  It also wouldn't make sense from a play design perspective to have the first read be the RB whom you just faked a handoff to.   It doesn't make sense. 

 

Jones has 4 yards on his man at one point, and is already slowing down to come back to an underthrown ball.  If you pause the video you'll see that.  

 

When your WR beats his man and has  4 plus yards of separation, and is streaking towards the endzone, do you really want him checking down to a RB out of the backfield?? 

 

Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Matt Stafford, thats a TD pass all day long. 

[jrober38]

Just now, peterpan said:

I don't see that at all.  It looks to me like Josh is locked on Jones.  It also wouldn't make sense from a play design perspective to have the first read be the RB whom you just faked a handoff to.   It doesn't make sense. 

 

Jones has 4 yards on his man at one point, and is already slowing down to come back to an underthrown ball.  If you pause the video you'll see that.  

 

When your WR beats his man and has  4 plus yards of separation, and is streaking towards the endzone, do you really want him checking down to a RB out of the backfield?? 

 

Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Matt Stafford, thats a TD pass all day long. 

 

Yes. When the RB is wide open because the defender is laying on the ground, take it.

 

A 10 yard pass is much easier than a 40 yard pass. The result showed that pretty clearly. 

 

There was no chance of a pass to Gore getting intercepted. 

[billspro]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Gores man fell down on the play.  Saw it live.  Would have been a huge gain. 

 

He has to see that there. If he completes that we likely get a TD on the drive.

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

 

 

That wasn’t even the “worst” missed connection to me yesterday.  The quick slant from Barkley to Brown that Brown seemingly dropped might have gone for a touchdown.  From my vantage point in the stadium it looked like Brown tried to stay on his feet to catch the ball because he recognized the acres of room around him.  Irrespective of whether the ball was catchable a better throw there might have changed the game. 

 

It was a really bad throw. I don’t think Brown had a shot at it when I watched the replay. If Barkley hit him though he was gone. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

I’ve been a big critic of Ford at RT but let’s not make excuses for Allen. He needs to get his feet right and step into his throws. He was inaccurate yesterday.

 

And he was not constantly under duress. He was at times, no doubt, but it was far from the whole game. 

[ILBillsfan]

Did you know Brady was panicked yesterday a well with hurried throws and errant throws it is what a disruptive line does to the QB.

 

Yes Josh had issues with setting his feet and made bad passes so did the QB on the other side.  One has 20 yrs in the NFL the other has two.

 

Look not trying to make excuses but that rush by the pats was strong as was the Bills and affected the QB's

 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

 

 

The big thing I see in two of those clips is that our RT can't give him Josh any time and he's rushing his reads/throws.  

 

One of Josh's biggest problems right now is having Ford at RT (it killed Barkley as well)...

 

 

 

Only see that on one of the four plays and Josh’s footwork is bad on all of them.  Also even on that play he got the ball off but threw a pick.  Had his feet been where they should’ve been I have to think he would’ve thrown a better ball.  I think the pressure of such a big game combined with playing the Pats (and everything Belichick three at him) got to Josh.  A year and a half ago he was playing for Wyoming.  Let’s remember that.  If he learns and grows from this we will look back on it as growing pains.  Let’s hope that’s what happens.