Juice_32 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, SoTier said: "Raw but super talented" = "project". It's a kid who has lots of athletic talent -- with QBs that's especially a big arm -- but lacks the kind of skillset that makes him likely to succeed in the NFL. How does that not describe Josh Allen? Allen has a great arm, but poor mechanics and worse decision making partly because he never had good coaching until this season and partly because he's had success relying on his talent alone. In the NFL, talent alone just doesn't cut it. It's what between the ears that counts as much as talent. IMO, Allen shouldn't have been taken in the first round much less the top ten because there's too much to "fix" in his game to bring it up to the level of a competent NFL QB (ie, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, etc). Wait, you'd trade Allen for any of those 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: So you are happy with this level of QB play? Even coach McD has concerns and says he needs to be better. I can bet there will be QB coaches fired and maybe OC fired if Allen does not show a ton more progress. It is not good enough... Ahhh, there you have it. Because I am not concerned, it means I don't believe he needs to improve. The pot calling the kettle black. Let me make my stance very clear for you: I like Josh Allen and I like the way he plays. I believe he will be the franchise QB for this team. He has a lot of room for improvement and he absolutely needs to better understand when he needs to reign in his gunslinger mentality. But the truth is - that is who he is - and for every bad play he makes because of that mentality, I can show you five good to great plays he made because of that mentality. Was yesterday a bad day? Yes it was. Was I happy with how he played in the first half? Absolutely not. Do I think, inspite of how poorly he played, that he might have led the team to a win anyway, had he not gotten hurt? Yes. He is an immense talent and a gamer. He will learn and get better. In the meantime, I'm not going to have a catastrophic meltdown, or throw a childish tantrum every time he has a bad game or makes a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Since QB rating is the only stat that you seem to look at let me find a few for you that Allen is doing well at... 4th in rating in the 4th quarter 7th on 3rd down completions for first downs 3rd in first downs per attempt on 3rd and long 13th in first downs per attempt on 3rd and medium 12th on first downs per attempt on 3rd and short 10th in completion % in the 4th quarter 12th in completion % inside the opponents 20 yard line 10th in rating inside the opponents 20 yard line 15th in rating inside the opponents 10 yard line 13th in rating in 4wr sets 10th in passing % in late and close games Those are all good passing stats. But yeah, he is the worst passer in the league because rating and you said so. Finally some numbers. Thanks. Do you have a link? I didn't know any of these were readily available stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, billsy'est said: @jrober38 should be banned straight up, and this dates back to the BBMB. Let's break this down. In a (give or take) 200-page thread on the BBMB, where @jrober38 opined that Jay Cutler was better than any of the Bills' QBs and that they should trade a bunch of picks to bring Cutler into the fold. In a multiple-dozen thread, or three, about trading all of the Bills' picks for Jameis Winston, again on the BBMB. In a thread here, how many years ago, about trading all of the Bills' picks for... Carson Wentz. Does Wentz seem so blue chip these days? He does not. It's not that one has a point of view. It's that's one is a crusader. For the longest time, in my last run here, I had thought that jeffismagic and @jrober38 were the same person. Then I realized that they were different people. Holy *****. How can two #######s have this obsession with ruining a message board in exactly the same way. It's not that they have differing opinions from me. It's that, even if I ignore the heck out of them, the message board is ruined because they reply to everything With the @jeffismagic rule, @jrober38 should be banned. And when he returns as spursfan, he should be banned again, and with extreme prejudice. Props to this brave whistleblower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SoTier said: You could make the claim that it was the Pats D that Allen couldn't deal with if he hadn't made the same mistakes at various times against the Bills three previous opponents. The Bills were good enough to win those three contests despite Allen's intermittent gaffes in all of them, but they came up to bite the Bills in the arse against the Pats. Not really. 1. JA didn't make nearly the number of mistakes (BB was able to force more mistakes than the others), and 2. JA made big plays in each of those games to offset his bad plays (BB stopped JA from doing that this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Since QB rating is the only stat that you seem to look at let me find a few for you that Allen is doing well at... 4th in rating in the 4th quarter 7th on 3rd down completions for first downs 3rd in first downs per attempt on 3rd and long 13th in first downs per attempt on 3rd and medium 12th on first downs per attempt on 3rd and short 10th in completion % in the 4th quarter 12th in completion % inside the opponents 20 yard line 10th in rating inside the opponents 20 yard line 15th in rating inside the opponents 10 yard line 13th in rating in 4wr sets 10th in passing % in late and close games Those are all good passing stats. But yeah, he is the worst passer in the league because rating and you said so. If the kid cuts down the turnovers he will go from "one of the worst passers in the league" to top 10. Good post and you are wasting your time. He's a crusader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsy'est Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Props to this brave whistleblower Whether this is sarcasm or not, I laughed, friend. Well done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Finally some numbers. Thanks. Do you have a link? I didn't know any of these were readily available stats. http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=043&type=Passing&year= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Tom Brady is the GOAT. Josh Allen was making his 15th career start. Tom Brady had a rating of 45.9 yesterday. Have Pats fans lost faith? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 also, why was Allen running HEAD FIRST for a first down? He's not a running back? I get the emotional 'showing courage' thing but its like what he tends to do in the game, not make the best decision for the team or himself a lot of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Finally some numbers. Thanks. Do you have a link? I didn't know any of these were readily available stats. Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, billsy'est said: Whether this is sarcasm or not, I laughed, friend. Well done. No, no, I'm with you. Bonus that I got to make a timely whistleblower joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: I was at the game Sunday and there was 1 reason the Bills lost the game. They lost the game for one reason - Josh Allen. He was absolutely putrid at QB. I’m a big fan of Allen but he was THE reason why we lost. We’re starting to get to the point where you can’t use the whole “lack of experience” excuses for Allen. For all the progress be seemed to make, we still see him revert back to the traits (holding onto the ball, poor footwork passing up short routes, inaccuracies) from college. We saw on Sunday that the thing he does well, scrambling, leaves his open for huge cheap shots to the head. He also doesn’t seem to be elevating the offense either. Take a look at how much better NYG has been since Daniel Jones took over last week. Or how much better Cleveland was behind Baker and not Tyrod. Or to a MUCH lesser extent Gardiner Minshew in Jacksonville. Allen has struggled to generate much more than 20 points per game. So have you lost faith in Josh Allen? If you haven’t lost faith, what give you hope that he will eventually start elevating the offense? I’m completely on the fence, but trending toward skepticism, unfortunately. Im gonna end up getting banned this week......:( 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Seriously? Are you surprised that dude has no idea the facts are available and is just talking straight out of his ass based on feels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsy'est Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: No, no, I'm with you. Bonus that I got to make a timely whistleblower joke. Everybody loves whistleblowers in 2019, I guess? Loved it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Are you surprised that dude has no idea the facts are available and is just talking straight out of his ass based on feels? No I am not - that was just for dramatic effect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, london_bills said: also, why was Allen running HEAD FIRST for a first down? He's not a running back? I get the emotional 'showing courage' thing but its like what he tends to do in the game, not make the best decision for the team or himself a lot of the time Not that I like him doing so but.... because the kid is a gamer and wants to win football games by any means. I feel he will learn eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: I was at the game Sunday and there was 1 reason the Bills lost the game. They lost the game for one reason - Josh Allen. He was absolutely putrid at QB. I’m a big fan of Allen but he was THE reason why we lost. We’re starting to get to the point where you can’t use the whole “lack of experience” excuses for Allen. For all the progress be seemed to make, we still see him revert back to the traits (holding onto the ball, poor footwork passing up short routes, inaccuracies) from college. We saw on Sunday that the thing he does well, scrambling, leaves his open for huge cheap shots to the head. He also doesn’t seem to be elevating the offense either. Take a look at how much better NYG has been since Daniel Jones took over last week. Or how much better Cleveland was behind Baker and not Tyrod. Or to a MUCH lesser extent Gardiner Minshew in Jacksonville. Allen has struggled to generate much more than 20 points per game. So have you lost faith in Josh Allen? If you haven’t lost faith, what give you hope that he will eventually start elevating the offense? I’m completely on the fence, but trending toward skepticism, unfortunately. No! He has the grit to tough it out, and the mental capacity to figure it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Im gonna end up getting banned this week......:( You and me both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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