John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, GG said: How about half-way competent? The guy is averaging a shade over 4 solo tackles/game in a defense designed for MLBs to get double digit tackles. They are grossly misusing his talents, while leaving a glaring hole over the middle. And what is that defense exactly could you explain their scheme for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: And what is that defense exactly could you explain their scheme for us? Bear in mind, this is a guy who claims Barkley could run the offense better. Grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: He's 13th in the league in tackles. His numbers are pretty much identical to both Jaylon Smith and Roquan Smith. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2018&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Go Wait, what?????? I didn't know this, I just assumed Edmunds must be way down on the list, or this guy wouldn't be saying Edmunds should be outside. He's 13th? Even with a bye? Wowwwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: We were both making fun of you. Look, you got me. Edmunds is not going to be a pro-bowl MLB in the 1970s. But in the same way you don't want a pro-bowl QB from the 70s in todays NFL, you do not want a pro-bowl MLB from the 70s. Its a new NFL. Edmunds is elite at what MLBs need to do in todays NFL to be successful. Plus, Edmunds best plays are him flying through the hole to make the stop or him going sideline to sideline to stop the guy from getting to the outside. Prototypical MLB stuff. This is some selective memory on your part. How about comparing him to MLBs of the modern era, especially the guys taken in the same draft? Nobody is asking for Spikes 2.0. But it would be nice that the alleged defensive cog would 1) be able to shed a block once in a while and 2) know his gap responsibility. His first half was horrid. You can argue with me all you want, but you can't argue with game film and how the OCs know his weakness. Yesterday' game confirmed that Milano is the MVP of this defense, and Edmunds is nowhere near close to fulfilling his draft capital. 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Bear in mind, this is a guy who claims Barkley could run the offense better. Grain of salt. Welcome to the homer parade. God forbid that somebody calls out bad play on a defense that made a JV squad look like world beaters for 3.5 quarters yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, GG said: Welcome to the homer parade. God forbid that somebody calls out bad play on a defense that made a JV squad look like world beaters for 3.5 quarters yesterday. Hey, don't get angry with me for pointing out your lousy take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, GG said: How about comparing him to MLBs of the modern era, especially the guys taken in the same draft? Nobody is asking for Spikes 2.0. But it would be nice that the alleged defensive cog would 1) be able to shed a block once in a while and 2) know his gap responsibility. His first half was horrid. You can argue with me all you want, but you can't argue with game film and how the OCs know his weakness. Yesterday' game confirmed that Milano is the MVP of this defense, and Edmunds is nowhere near close to fulfilling his draft capital. He is 13th in the NFL in tackle, even with a bye, on a top 5 defense!!!! This is wild. Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Well here's a list of the LB's in his era. My jaw is on the floor with this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He's 13th in the league in tackles. His numbers are pretty much identical to both Jaylon Smith and Roquan Smith. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2018&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Go How about showing stats from this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, GG said: How about comparing him to MLBs of the modern era, especially the guys taken in the same draft? Nobody is asking for Spikes 2.0. But it would be nice that the alleged defensive cog would 1) be able to shed a block once in a while and 2) know his gap responsibility. His first half was horrid. You can argue with me all you want, but you can't argue with game film and how the OCs know his weakness. Yesterday' game confirmed that Milano is the MVP of this defense, and Edmunds is nowhere near close to fulfilling his draft capital. Where are you going to get access to game film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: What season is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I have been as big of an advocate of Edmunds and his improvement year 1 to year 2 as anyone but he was brutal last night. He was constantly in the wrong gap in the run game and he got confused and lost on the Parker touchdown too - wasn't his initial assignment but if he makes the right read he can get over there and make the play. I spoke about it last night too but that was as bad as the way the Patriots totally confused him last season. They gave him looks that suggested one thing and then ran another. Interestingly where did the Dolphins OC come from? The Patriots. And this year against New England Edmunds was excellent. So maybe the guy who had the plan to expose him is the guy that left for Miami. The Dolphins went at Wallace and Edmunds so often that I do not believe it could have been coincidence. That was game plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Where are you going to get access to game film? All-22 that comes out tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, GG said: What season is this? 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: I have been as big of an advocate of Edmunds and his improvement year 1 to year 2 as anyone but he was brutal last night. He was constantly in the wrong gap in the run game and he got confused and lost on the Parker touchdown too - wasn't his initial assignment but if he makes the right read he can get over there and make the play. I spoke about it last night too but that was as bad as the way the Patriots totally confused him last season. They gave him looks that suggested one thing and then ran another. Interestingly where did the Dolphins OC come from? The Patriots. And this year against New England Edmunds was excellent. So maybe the guy who had the plan to expose him is the guy that left for Miami. The Dolphins went at Wallace and Edmunds so often that I do not believe it could have been coincidence. That was game plan. Good luck with this line of reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, GG said: How about showing stats from this season? Yeah I don't know why it automatically went to 2018 so that's my mistake. Does last year not count? You argued this defense is designed for MLB's to make tackles....that happened last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GG said: How about comparing him to MLBs of the modern era, especially the guys taken in the same draft? Nobody is asking for Spikes 2.0. But it would be nice that the alleged defensive cog would 1) be able to shed a block once in a while and 2) know his gap responsibility. His first half was horrid. You can argue with me all you want, but you can't argue with game film and how the OCs know his weakness. Yesterday' game confirmed that Milano is the MVP of this defense, and Edmunds is nowhere near close to fulfilling his draft capital. Welcome to the homer parade. God forbid that somebody calls out bad play on a defense that made a JV squad look like world beaters for 3.5 quarters yesterday. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. As a poster we would hope YOU were better too. Edited October 21, 2019 by r00tabaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I’m still of the belief that he’s not heavy enough to play a traditional MLB role. That’s not his fault. He’s tall and athletic. I’m going to assume that the coaches know that! I’m interested to see what they do with that knowledge. He’s clearly never going to be Dick Butkus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, pop gun said: 2018 Yeah, I know. Funny to throw in 2018 stats when we are discussing his play in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, GG said: Yeah, I know. Funny to throw in 2018 stats when we are discussing his play in 2019 I admitted it was a mistake.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 here is 2019 so far By Player Category By Player Position By Team Category All NFL AFC NFC Category... Passing Rushing Receiving Kicking Field Goals Kick Returns Punting Sacks Scoring Touchdowns Tackles Interceptions Total Yards Season... 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 1993 1992 1991 1990 1989 1988 1987 1986 1985 1984 1983 1982 1981 1980 1979 1978 1977 1976 1975 1974 1973 1972 1971 1970 1969 1968 1967 1966 1965 1964 1963 1962 1961 1960 1959 1958 1957 1956 1955 1954 1953 1952 1951 1950 1949 1948 1947 1946 1945 1944 1943 1942 1941 1940 1939 1938 1937 1936 1935 1934 1933 1932 Season Type... Preseason Regular Season Postseason All Rookie 2nd year 3rd year 4th year 5th year 6th year 7th year 8th year 9th year 10th year 11th year 12th year 13th year 14th year 15th year 16th year 17th year 18th year 19th year 20th year 21st year 22nd year 23rd year 24th year 25th year 28th year 29th year 30th year 31st year 32nd year 38th year 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 next Tackles Tackles Interceptions Fumbles Rk Player Team Pos Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int TDs Yds Lng FF Rec TD 1 Blake Martinez GB ILB 76 48 28 1.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 2 Jordan Hicks ARI MLB 69 38 31 0.5 -- 4 1 0 14 14 2 -- -- 2 Bobby Wagner SEA MLB 69 38 31 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 4 De'Vondre Campbell ATL OLB 63 42 21 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 2 -- -- 5 Luke Kuechly CAR MLB 62 32 30 0.0 1 6 1 0 25 25 0 -- -- 5 Joe Schobert CLE MLB 62 43 19 1.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 1 0 7 Eric Kendricks MIN MLB 61 44 17 0.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 8 Landon Collins WAS SS 59 41 18 1.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 8 Nick Vigil CIN OLB 59 32 27 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 1 0 10 Cory Littleton LA ILB 58 34 24 1.0 -- 10 2 0 32 26 1 2 0 10 Shawn Williams CIN SS 58 43 15 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 10 K.J. Wright SEA OLB 58 30 28 0.0 -- 6 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- 13 Deion Jones ATL LB 56 40 16 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 13 Jaylon Smith DAL MLB 56 37 19 2.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 2 -- -- 15 Jessie Bates CIN FS 55 36 19 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 1 0 15 Antoine Bethea NYG FS 55 37 18 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 15 Rashaan Evans TEN ILB 55 36 19 0.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 15 Danny Trevathan CHI ILB 55 43 12 1.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 19 Thomas Davis LAC OLB 54 29 25 1.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 19 Shaq Thompson CAR OLB 54 36 18 2.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 19 Leighton Vander Esch DAL OLB 54 33 21 0.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 22 Zach Cunningham HOU ILB 53 36 17 1.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 1 0 22 Benardrick McKinney HOU ILB 53 30 23 0.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 2 0 22 Eric Weddle LA FS 53 29 24 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 25 Devin Bush PIT LB 52 32 20 1.0 0 5 2 0 6 6 0 4 1 25 Haason Reddick ARI OLB 52 31 21 1.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 1 0 27 Jon Bostic WAS ILB 51 27 24 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 27 John Johnson LA SS 51 24 27 0.0 -- 4 2 0 0 0 0 -- -- 29 Tracy Walker DET DB 50 43 7 0.0 -- 5 1 0 0 0 1 -- -- 30 Budda Baker ARI SS 49 33 16 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 31 Cole Holcomb WAS LB 48 33 15 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 31 Jabrill Peppers NYG FS 48 33 15 0.0 0 4 1 1 32 32T 1 -- -- 33 Vonn Bell NO SS 46 32 14 0.0 0 -- -- -- -- -- 2 4 1 34 Preston Brown CIN MLB 45 21 24 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 1 0 34 Demario Davis NO OLB 45 36 9 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 36 Justin Reid HOU SS 44 31 13 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 36 Damien Wilson KC OLB 44 31 13 0.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 38 Tremaine Edmunds BUF MLB 43 25 18 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 38 Logan Ryan TEN CB 43 27 16 2.5 -- 11 2 0 0 0 2 -- -- 40 Terrell Edmunds PIT SS 42 28 14 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 40 Ronnie Harrison JAX DB 42 25 17 1.0 -- 7 2 0 66 35 0 1 0 40 Sam Hubbard CIN DE 42 25 17 3.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 -- -- 40 Jordan Poyer BUF FS 42 31 11 1.0 -- 2 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 44 Lavonte David TB OLB 41 26 15 0.0 -- 3 1 0 26 26 0 -- -- 44 Rodney McLeod PHI FS 41 21 20 0.0 -- 4 1 0 23 23 0 -- -- 44 Harrison Smith MIN FS 41 33 8 0.0 -- 7 1 0 13 13 1 1 0 47 Roquan Smith CHI ILB 40 31 9 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 47 Kenny Vaccaro TEN SS 40 25 15 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- 47 Xavier Woods DAL FS 40 29 11 0.0 -- 2 1 0 9 9 1 -- -- 50 Ricardo Allen ATL FS 39 26 13 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 -- -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah I don't know why it automatically went to 2018 so that's my mistake. Does last year not count? You argued this defense is designed for MLB's to make tackles....that happened last year. It counts to a degree, but for his position you also want to see solo tackles, where he was #20 in the league last year. What's worse is that the OCs know his weaknesses by now and are directly attacking him and that's why his stats are noticeably down. Four solo tackles per game is awful, considering how many times opponents have run the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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