akm0404 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Welcome to the new NFL, where a culture of inflicting damage has led to pre-game banter shifting from “X-s and O-s” to medical information on the effects of trauma on brain tissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, akm0404 said: Welcome to the new NFL, where a culture of inflicting damage has led to pre-game banter shifting from “X-s and O-s” to medical information on the effects of trauma on brain tissue. To be fair, that culture of inflicting damage has been much worse than it is today.... that we care is the major change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I’m frankly amazed at the protocol. I would’ve sworn Allen was coming back in on Sunday after they showed him running, by himself, into the tunnel, waving at the crowd. I’ve never had a concussion but that sure didn’t look like a guy who had one. I assume the symptoms can come on the next day, like whiplash tends to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 What goes around Comes around. Cant believe we dont whack Tomasina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m frankly amazed at the protocol. I would’ve sworn Allen was coming back in on Sunday after they showed him running, by himself, into the tunnel, waving at the crowd. I’ve never had a concussion but that sure didn’t look like a guy who had one. I assume the symptoms can come on the next day, like whiplash tends to. He must have displayed the symptoms of a concussion so they wouldn’t let him go back in the game. That’s part of the rules. In fact he was likely diagnosed with a concussion that afternoon. Many times guys are cleared and can return but he wasn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He must have displayed the symptoms of a concussion so they wouldn’t let him go back in the game. That’s part of the rules. In fact he was likely diagnosed with a concussion that afternoon. Many times guys are cleared and can return but he wasn’t. No doubt but wasn’t it odd seeing him running all alone into the tunnel? Where was the training staff? Heck, they put you in a wheelchair if you leave a hospital with a hangnail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: No doubt but wasn’t it odd seeing him running all alone into the tunnel? Where was the training staff? Heck, they put you in a wheelchair if you leave a hospital with a hangnail! Not as odd as seeing lying unconscious on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rew Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He must have displayed the symptoms of a concussion so they wouldn’t let him go back in the game. That’s part of the rules. In fact he was likely diagnosed with a concussion that afternoon. Many times guys are cleared and can return but he wasn’t. He doesn't have to show any symptoms of a concussion to be in the protocol. A player can be placed into the protocol solely based on video evidence (this was changed in last few years after the Savage hit). After watching the hit in slow motion and Allen's reaction after the hit, the independent observers would have decided that taking a day or two for observation was the right plan regardless of reported symptoms. If Allen has no symptoms he'll progress through and play. If he had any symptoms yesterday, it is exceedingly unlikely that he plays against TEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rew said: He doesn't have to show any symptoms of a concussion to be in the protocol. A player can be placed into the protocol solely based on video evidence (this was changed in last few years after the Savage hit). After watching the hit in slow motion and Allen's reaction after the hit, the independent observers would have decided that taking a day or two for observation was the right plan regardless of reported symptoms. If Allen has no symptoms he'll progress through and play. If he had any symptoms yesterday, it is exceedingly unlikely that he plays against TEN. yes, this, this is exactly why he was in placed in the protocol regardless of his answers to questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rew said: He doesn't have to show any symptoms of a concussion to be in the protocol. A player can be placed into the protocol solely based on video evidence (this was changed in last few years after the Savage hit). After watching the hit in slow motion and Allen's reaction after the hit, the independent observers would have decided that taking a day or two for observation was the right plan regardless of reported symptoms. If Allen has no symptoms he'll progress through and play. If he had any symptoms yesterday, it is exceedingly unlikely that he plays against TEN. As the other doc (s) on this thread have noted, this is the case. It’s hard to say how long it will take but Josh should be fine. I can’t remember if this is his first concussion or not but that is now my big worry for him given the way he plays. Typically when an individual suffers a single concussion, and it is their first one, with time they recover fully. The problem, as we have all come to find out, is repeated concussions. I have a valuated many combat veterans who have had multiple TBI’s and their symptoms can become chronic. What is interesting is that there does not even have to be a direct head trauma in that something hit somebody in the head. Getting exposed to explosions such as mortar attacks or IED hits cause a concussive effect, also. Thus, the well understood cumulative effect. The hit on Josh was clearly targeting and the guy should’ve been ejected. But Josh does need to learn how to protect himself in these situations a lot better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytownblofan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 10 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: Question for the docs posting, and thanks for sharing your expertise it's much appreciated. What should we conclude, if anything, by Allen running off the field to the locker room? I would have thought if he was still "loopy" they would have had a trainer escort him rather then let him go on his own. Should we be more or less hopeful that this was a minor concussion? Hey, not a Doc, but have had several concussions myself. For one of them I got my bell rung running through 1st base. Was a little dazed, but felt good enough to go pitch the next 3 innings. Come the 4th inning, everything went blank and they had to basically carry me off the mound and the next 2 days were miserable. So, while you could be right, in the fact that it could be minor and they were being precautionary by making him go to the locker room, but it is also entirely possible that 2 hours after the game the symptoms hit him like a ton of bricks. Fingers crossed it's the former and we will see 17 lead us to victory this week! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m frankly amazed at the protocol. I would’ve sworn Allen was coming back in on Sunday after they showed him running, by himself, into the tunnel, waving at the crowd. I’ve never had a concussion but that sure didn’t look like a guy who had one. I assume the symptoms can come on the next day, like whiplash tends to. I kept saying "THATS JOSH ALLENS MUSIC!!" and hoping he would come out for the final drive to lead us to victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Not sure if already posted somewhere upthread, but I found this interesting from Peter King's column yesterday, discussing advances in concussion/head related trauma prevention that's coming to market soon--wish the Bills already had this! Excerpt below: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/30/nfl-power-rankings-week-4-fmia-peter-king/ "4. I think this is the most interesting thing I learned this week: There’s a doctor in Florida who is working to develop a topical cream for football players to use pre-game to reduce the effects of head trauma during the game, and also a nasal spray to be used after a concussive blow, to lessen the length of time for recovery from a concussion. The doctor, Jake VanLandingham of Florida State, is in the trial phase with these medications. These medications wouldn’t be solely for football either—the military, with its history of concussive incidents in combat, is interested as well. “It would be good for football, and good for the military,” VanLandingham said. “But it’d also be good for the U.S. health-care industry. We could save billions in health-care costs.” The savings could come, VanLandingham thinks, if the recovery time for a concussion went from 10 or 12 days to five, which is his forecast with the nasal spray after a concussion is suffered … and, if the brain had been pre-treated with the trans-dermal cream on the side of the neck before a concussive blow, the effect of the hit would be lessened because a neurological anti-inflammatory had been used. “It’s like a brain shield,” VanLandingham said of the pre-game trans-dermal cream. He expects a couple of college football programs to be using some of the medication by 2020. This is one of the most hopeful things I’ve heard about concussion treatment in years." 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Interesting. Potentially game changing if it actually works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Not sure if already posted somewhere upthread, but I found this interesting from Peter King's column yesterday, discussing advances in concussion/head related trauma prevention that's coming to market soon--wish the Bills already had this! Excerpt below: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/30/nfl-power-rankings-week-4-fmia-peter-king/ "4. I think this is the most interesting thing I learned this week: There’s a doctor in Florida who is working to develop a topical cream for football players to use pre-game to reduce the effects of head trauma during the game, and also a nasal spray to be used after a concussive blow, to lessen the length of time for recovery from a concussion. I saw that as well. Sounds like a late night TV pitch: Miracle cream helps prevent concussions! OTOH, the post hit nasal spray sounds a bit more realistic, at least to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just sit him out this week and protect the franchise. THis is why you get the veteran QB who can come in and win 3 games a year for you but is not a starter. I believe Matt Barkely is that guy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Just sit him out this week and protect the franchise. THis is why you get the veteran QB who can come in and win 3 games a year for you but is not a starter. I believe Matt Barkely is that guy. exactly - sit this week and the bye. Learn from your mistakes and move forward. The Bills are very capable of winning with Barkley under center. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Just sit him out this week and protect the franchise. THis is why you get the veteran QB who can come in and win 3 games a year for you but is not a starter. I believe Matt Barkely is that guy. I agree.If he has to sit this one out then so be it. Then the bye will come and that should give him plenty of time to be ready to go. I believe Barkley can pull out a W but the Oline will have to do a better job and not allow free runners to hit the QB like they did when Barkley came in against the Pats. Barkley may get the ball off a little bit sooner but they cannot allow defenders to go unblocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Just sit him out this week and protect the franchise. THis is why you get the veteran QB who can come in and win 3 games a year for you but is not a starter. I believe Matt Barkely is that guy. I think he’s that guy, but not so sure this is the game he can win. Especially with all that Pats film fresh in the TEN coaches mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: I think he’s that guy, but not so sure this is the game he can win. Especially with all that Pats film fresh in the TEN coaches mind. ? Matt didnt start against the pats? To me its about Motor being ready.....we dont even lose that game if Devin plays imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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