row_33 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 he's living in the minds of his opponents, they are always aware he is up to something Al Davis and Red Auerbach had this effect as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, WideNine said: Sort've yes, but last year they led the league in rushing. Belichick can adapt, and knows teams have been loading up on their nickel, big nickel, and dime packages to counter their short throws....so his solution was to scheme ways to get his RB to the 2nd level where it is Sony with a head of steam vs DB's and Safeties. It is a mismatch he exploited quite a bit. Not this year (yet) though they haven’t needed to averaging less than 100 yards rushing total per game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 hours ago, row_33 said: he did get burned on two of the luckiest completions in football history by the Giants, so analytics goblins are taking credit for that. skill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I would guarantee they have this sort of stuff. I would also suggest BB is deliberately being somewhat coy in his remarks here. so you’ve got Coy Boy (BB) and Soy Boy (Brady). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Analytics in football isn't as great a tool as in baseball and it is even more limited than basketball analytics. However Analytics in football is a piece of the puzzle any organization is using. Billy B isn't going over the analytics himself but he has a guy for that obviously every team does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) Yes they aren't his thing...thats why he has some reclusive guy named Ernie Adams who is something like a savant(the Belichick of analytics) with that type of thing whom Belichick is in constant communication with throughout the game asking for his opinion/advice on various things... So yes, HE doesn't pay attention to analytics because he has a guy who he does it for him... https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/mysterious-ernie-adams-patriots-man-behind-curtain/IrNCfgrysUphGpkcIjEaBL/story.html So the question becomes...would Belichick be the same coach without Adams? It seems the article suggests he wouldnt be. Edited September 28, 2019 by matter2003 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Yes they aren't his thing...thats why he has some reclusive guy named Ernie Adams who is something like a savant(the Belichick of analytics) with that type of thing whom Belichick is in constant communication with throughout the game asking for his opinion/advice on various things... So yes, HE doesn't pay attention to analytics because he has a guy who he does it for him... https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/mysterious-ernie-adams-patriots-man-behind-curtain/IrNCfgrysUphGpkcIjEaBL/story.html So the question becomes...would Belichick be the same coach without Adams? It seems the article suggests he wouldnt be. Yup. It’s called EAsports. And comes with cheat codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Analytics in football isn't as great a tool as in baseball and it is even more limited than basketball analytics. However Analytics in football is a piece of the puzzle any organization is using. Billy B isn't going over the analytics himself but he has a guy for that obviously every team does. I think the value of analytics in football is different from baseball in that it's not at all based on players and much more on mathematical decisions throughout the course of a game. And yeah, he uses them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Analytics -analysis - anal .....or is it the other way around ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: If he listened to analytics Brady would not be his QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 7 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't use analytics. And like that *Whoo* he won That was my immediate reaction. It would be like Tiger Woods during his prime saying "I don't bother practicing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Xwnyer said: When your good at cheating don’t need analytics I guess it depends on what you are analyzing. Are you analyzing the defensive signals you purposely recorded from the other team? Are you analyzing the other team's formations in a closed practice? Are you analyzing the specific inflation pressure your team benefits from and then figuring out how to set the balls at said (under)pressure, are you analyzing how many headset channels the NFL will actually let you use before they step in and say something, are you analyzing how to intercept the other teams headset signals, are you analyzing how to have headsets go down at critical moments in home games over a period of years, are you analyzing how to get favorable bye week matchups for 15 consecutive years, are you analyzing how to have your billionaire owner make himself out to be a victim when he got caught getting handies from sex slaves? That the media still has the audacity to refer to these people as one of the greatest franchises of all-time is a commentary on the state of morality on our planet. Show me another HoF coach who has been flat out caught cheating and reprimanded by the league for cheating on MULTIPLE occasions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 10 hours ago, RiotAct said: so you’ve got Coy Boy (BB) and Soy Boy (Brady). Thanks to that game in Buffalo, I thought Brady was Toy Boy. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Mat68 said: B.S. he might not have a analytic team or group, but he looks at football an analytic way. He does not use analytics to make decisions. Analytics are not the same as looking at things in an analytic way. Analytics are making your decisions based on data. He uses film. Not raw data. He is a gut type thinker. Always has been. That is why he is so difficult to coach against. He is a master at looking at film, not raw data, and finding your weakness and exploiting it with his players skill sets. Data often doesn't show a weakness. He is of the old school crown like Parcells and Jimmy Johnson who always trusted their guts. Edited September 28, 2019 by FUTURIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 The hell he doesnt.. GOAT QB + GOAT HC + CHEATING = RINGS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/28/2019 at 12:56 AM, That's No Moon said: I guess it depends on what you are analyzing. Are you analyzing the defensive signals you purposely recorded from the other team? Are you analyzing the other team's formations in a closed practice? Are you analyzing the specific inflation pressure your team benefits from and then figuring out how to set the balls at said (under)pressure, are you analyzing how many headset channels the NFL will actually let you use before they step in and say something, are you analyzing how to intercept the other teams headset signals, are you analyzing how to have headsets go down at critical moments in home games over a period of years, are you analyzing how to get favorable bye week matchups for 15 consecutive years, are you analyzing how to have your billionaire owner make himself out to be a victim when he got caught getting handies from sex slaves? That the media still has the audacity to refer to these people as one of the greatest franchises of all-time is a commentary on the state of morality on our planet. Show me another HoF coach who has been flat out caught cheating and reprimanded by the league for cheating on MULTIPLE occasions. Nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Analytics does not work with football. There’s too many factors (22 players participating in each play, coaches, coordinators, position coaches on both sides, weather, QB, etc) to determine a controlled outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 And Clinton didn’t inhale... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Analytics does not work with football. There’s too many factors (22 players participating in each play, coaches, coordinators, position coaches on both sides, weather, QB, etc) to determine a controlled outcome. So what works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: Analytics does not work with football. There’s too many factors (22 players participating in each play, coaches, coordinators, position coaches on both sides, weather, QB, etc) to determine a controlled outcome. There are limits indeed to analytics. Useful to spot other teams' tendencies, over time know what are your plays with greater odds of success and all that, but overall, it's matchups, flow of the game, even down to adjusting for momentum swings in the game. It might be a science for the preparation part where analytics do come into play, but what's going on with the human players on the field is what should matter more to a good coach. Weather, tiredness, injuries (and small injuries to active players), personal shifts, feedback... A sport that uses a lot of stats is cycling, including real time feedback from watt output, etc. But they too will adjust according to how guys feel that day, what's happening outside their teams, etc. I'm not saying stats are useless, they sure are, especially in a sport like football with so many controlled & determined 3-5 second plays. But the human elements and "feel" for the game remain so important. Which is why sports are great! Edited September 29, 2019 by Jerome007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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