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1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

The odds of him putting on a Miami jersey, smiling, and going are much greater.

 

 

Greater than what?

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1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah, but the league doesn't win if this backfires on the Miami organization and they remain lousy for a number of years due to the tank.  

 

They aren't concerned with preventing a successful Miami tank, they are concerned with the NFL's league wide image, and simply don't want this sort of thing to become the new norm around the league. 

 

 

But that's a contradiction.  If Miami and it's tank leave them in purgatory for a number of seasons,  what team would want to copy that?

How many teams have traded their entire draft for a player like NO did years ago?  None.

 

IF Miami tanked fully a couple of years ago and had the 1st overall pick would they have drafted Trubisky, Mahomes or Watson?

IF they drafted Mahomes and started him right away, would Mahomes have the kind of success that he has had OR could he have been 

ruined by a bad organization and team?

 

IND tanking for Luck didn't get them to the Super Bowl either.

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3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The same way Aikman did.  Are you old enough to remember the physical beating that guy took at the beginning of his career?


You're comparing a college kid who has proven nothing at the NFL level to a HOFer. We're done here. 😂

Oh, and maybe cut down on the "are you old enough" crap. It makes you look like you're -- not old enough.

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20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

This will be about trying to discourage teams from doing this in the future, I think, rather than taking punitive action against Miami.

 

They want to get the word out that if you tank, you're going to have to deal with a lot of investigative hassle and BS, hoping it discourages teams from going this route.

 

At least that's my theory.

 

 

 

It just seems like if you're going to investigate, the public will expect penalties to be levied, and that any type of action taken against owners/teams has the potential to be very biased and may even have to do with the marketing value of the team in question. (say a Dallas tank vs. a Buffalo tank, it's in the best interest of the league monetarily for Dallas to get the better players vs. Buffalo, more TV $$$$ in the end).  Just seems like a slippery slope that is destined to be unfair. 

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I have no problem with tanking for a year to secure a franchise QB, it’s part of the strategy of building a roster. I DO have a problem with tanking for multiple years like the Bills and Browns did for decades. Any owner that is looking just to ca$h in and is not committed to winning long term needs to gtfo of here.

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25 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

I'd rather they look into Tom Brady and the NE Patriots nefarious deeds 

 

Odds are, Brady plays the rest of this year and then Mahomes suddenly develops a major attitude problem next offseason that will get him released by the Chiefs

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9 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

It would be talked about how genius of a move it is for them to do it.....

 

As for Miami, it's almost impossible to prove they AREN'T tanking/wasting this season. Of course there is no actual rule saying you have to try to win every game, so technically they aren't doing anything illegal.

 

The only way to penalize them would be loss of draft picks, but then there would have to be a specific rule in place for them to have broke (unless they go after them and say they are throwing games due to gambling)

 

To prevent it, the league needs to do like the rest and have a lottery draft so the worst record doesn't guarantee the top spot. And if they really want teams to avoid it, get rid of the way other sports weigh the odds based on standings. Just say if you don't make the playoffs your in the draft lottery and let all teams have the same odds. You will get rid of the idea that some people have that the draft rewards failure and teams will atleady try to put winning teams on the field 

  I think gambling is at the root of the complaint against Miami.  Probably some high rollers had their season laid out based on what Miami looked like post draft.  Now all that is like paper blowing in the wind.  

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Why do people care?  Whose to say what is the right way and wrong way to rebuild a franchise?  Whose to say if coaches see certain players or not as guys that fit their plans, scheme, culture, and system?

 

I think Miami is foolish for trading their young talents like Minkah and Tunsil.  But it’s also just an opinion without having any sort of knowledge or reasoning from Miami’s side.  

 

End of of the day, they should be free to reboot and rebuild the way they best see fit.  Competition committee should only be involved if someone is violating something.  Trading players for first round picks violates nothing.

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34 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That they care about. Patriots potential tampering? meh.

Yeah.  One team can lie, cheat and steal all they want ...but let's investigate the team that sucks.   Cause that's what's wrong with the league.   Wtf world do we live in. 

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4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I think gambling is at the root of the complaint against Miami.  Probably some high rollers had their season laid out based on what Miami looked like post draft.  Now all that is like paper blowing in the wind.  

I don't think any serious high roller had money on Miami going into the season as winners. They were going to be bad, just not historically bad like the have been

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Why do people care?  Whose to say what is the right way and wrong way to rebuild a franchise?  Whose to say if coaches see certain players or not as guys that fit their plans, scheme, culture, and system?

 

I think Miami is foolish for trading their young talents like Minkah and Tunsil.  But it’s also just an opinion without having any sort of knowledge or reasoning from Miami’s side.  

 

End of of the day, they should be free to reboot and rebuild the way they best see fit.  Competition committee should only be involved if someone is violating something.  Trading players for first round picks violates nothing.

 

Tunsil was perplexing but the Minkah trade made zero sense to me, essentially they gain nothing as they still have a need at the position

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4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Why do people care?  Whose to say what is the right way and wrong way to rebuild a franchise?  Whose to say if coaches see certain players or not as guys that fit their plans, scheme, culture, and system?

 

I think Miami is foolish for trading their young talents like Minkah and Tunsil.  But it’s also just an opinion without having any sort of knowledge or reasoning from Miami’s side.  

 

End of of the day, they should be free to reboot and rebuild the way they best see fit.  Competition committee should only be involved if someone is violating something.  Trading players for first round picks violates nothing.

In some cases it matters and people care because they put down good money to attend games, and sponsors and TV. Stations put up good money to be represented by a team and to show the NFL product.. A competition committee can be involved because a team throwing a season away lowers the competition, the league also prides itself on 'Any given Sunday' and that in the NFL there always a chance your team could win.

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1 minute ago, Say When... said:

 

Tunsil was perplexing but the Minkah trade made zero sense to me, essentially they gain nothing as they still have a need at the position

 

Minkah getting traded legit 1 year after getting drafted is bizarre to me.  He was picked 11 last year, now you're getting... who knows in 2020?  

 

Stills is a #2 receiver - no point paying that guy, and if that helped get you any additional draft comp, good for them.  He wasn't even particularly good - let alone someone thats getting you to the promised land.  

 

We all know whats going to happen.. it's miami!  Splashy draft picks and burn through their considerable cap space to get to 6-10 or something.  

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Strip them of the first round picks they've obtained via trade.  LOL

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16 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

I don't think any serious high roller had money on Miami going into the season as winners. They were going to be bad, just not historically bad like the have been

 

 

  It's not about winning but about identifying spreads and then determining if Miami could cover the spread in each game.  It's about money and not about fandom.

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Wait till they fire Flores after this season.  That should be another investigation.

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15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Why do people care?  Whose to say what is the right way and wrong way to rebuild a franchise?  Whose to say if coaches see certain players or not as guys that fit their plans, scheme, culture, and system?

 

I think Miami is foolish for trading their young talents like Minkah and Tunsil.  But it’s also just an opinion without having any sort of knowledge or reasoning from Miami’s side.  

 

End of of the day, they should be free to reboot and rebuild the way they best see fit.  Competition committee should only be involved if someone is violating something.  Trading players for first round picks violates nothing.

 

I generally agree with you.  Though the rules could be tweaked some.  Limits on early round draft picks or adjustments to the number of compensatory picks.

 

7 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

In some cases it matters and people care because they put down good money to attend games, and sponsors and TV. Stations put up good money to be represented by a team and to show the NFL product.. A competition committee can be involved because a team throwing a season away lowers the competition, the league also prides itself on 'Any given Sunday' and that in the NFL there always a chance your team could win.

 

Fans can choose not to go to the games.  As for league reaction, see above, the rules could be tweaked.

Investigations and trying to prove how much a team is tanking would not work.

Lottery for the NFL is a no go with me.

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1 hour ago, mannc said:

That's what makes it a tough case; it would be hard to argue that the Dolphins have been trading away their players without recouping fair value.  The problem is that the value won't be realized until the future and in the meantime, there are 53 guys who have to take the field every week for the next three months.  

How true. For some of these players, their dreams of playing in NFL are being realized and they want to win. At the same time you have guys that want out and an organization giving up...so it seems.

 

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I think the league should embrace Miami's obvious tanking.  "How bad can the Dolphins be?" is just about the most interesting and entertaining question in the sport right now.  It's nice to have something to look forward to on Sundays again.

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They have to replace the young talent that just traded.....so they'll be back in the same spots.  If they don't hit on a QB, it won't matter.  
Man, if they miss on the QB after this gigantic rebuild they're doing.....

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Actually this is simple- investigate. If clear evidence of an intentional tank is found, hard evidence, take their first round pick away. 

 

Make an an example of them. 

 

Teams will be more careful in the future 

26 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

How true. For some of these players, their dreams of playing in NFL are being realized and they want to win. At the same time you have guys that want out and an organization giving up...so it seems.

 

 

The upshot is a bunch of guys with no business on nfl rosters get to get their arses kicked on television. “Hi mom”

 

  🤷‍♂️ 

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3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Actually this is simple- investigate. If clear evidence of an intentional tank is found, hard evidence, take their first round pick away. 

 

Make an an example of them. 

 

Teams will be more careful in the future 

 

The upshot is a bunch of guys with no business on nfl rosters get to get their arses kicked on television. “Hi mom”

 

  🤷‍♂️ 

Yeah, that too! They have been exposed! Flushed out of their hiding spots! 

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2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

But that's a contradiction.  If Miami and it's tank leave them in purgatory for a number of seasons,  what team would want to copy that?

How many teams have traded their entire draft for a player like NO did years ago?  None.

 

IF Miami tanked fully a couple of years ago and had the 1st overall pick would they have drafted Trubisky, Mahomes or Watson?

IF they drafted Mahomes and started him right away, would Mahomes have the kind of success that he has had OR could he have been 

ruined by a bad organization and team?

 

IND tanking for Luck didn't get them to the Super Bowl either.

 

 I would say in today's NFL, what the Texans gave up for Tunsil was an ASTRONOMICAL amount... and it's no anywhere near the NO trade for Ricky Williams.

 

The more I read, I see people throwing out teams like Indy as an example of tanking working or people saying the Dolphins should or shouldn't be punished.  My take is this:

 

Indy tanked for Luck, we all know they did, and frankly most people were begging for the Bills and any other mediocre team to do the same.  Did it work out?  They got a franchise QB who was a generational talent, but they never properly built around him, and the absolute BEATING that man too as a result caused him to retire early before ever achieving what he COULD HAVE BEEN.

 

I would argue that the Dolphins have put themselves in a similar risky spot, they traded away all their proven talent and now are reliant on draft picks to try and get better... as we all know that's risky. Who's to say they don't take the next Mike Williams to protect Tua's blind side and gets him killed?  There are risks in what they're doing as well...

 

The main complaint is that the Dolphins have upset the competitive balance of the league by intentionally getting rid of all their talented players for futures.  Sooooo If the NFL is mad they're intentionally bad, can you explain how that is solved by the Dolphins being punished by having draft picks stripped away?  They absolutely WILL NOT get better if the league strips them of the picks they got for these players... so they wont have the players, or the picks, and they'll be terrible so no FAs will want to go there.  It's essentially a death sentence for a few years...  Does the NFL want to create a team that will be a door mat to the rest of the league for the next few years?  I highly doubt that, as it would upset the competitive balance of the league further.

 

I see them giving a slap on the wrist to Miami, may take 1 pick and a salary cap penalty fine or something... then they'll change the rules about what teams can get in compensation: IE: You can't trade for 3+ first rounders in the same season or something to that effect. 

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