John Adams Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: JA never cared about political abuse of power for the past three years, You're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Romney is a Hillary clone.....yet another "sore loser who refuses to take their lumps and go away.".....SHOCKING (COUGH) isn't it that they exist on "BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE"?....didn't want to offend the pro Hillary/Dems crowd......GOP's Mitt was smitten...... Yep both are bitter hag losers, just like the third bitter hag I won't mention out of respect for the dead.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, John Adams said: You're an idiot. Drink 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: It’s amazing. A truly fascinating case study in media programming of NPC’s. JA never cared about political abuse of power for the past three years, despite being in constant conversation about it down here and being given piles of actual evidence proving political spying by 44 on opponents was real and ongoing. His response was that it was fake, exaggerated, or (gasp) justified because the CIA are “experts” and the “experts” say Trump is dirty so who is JA to doubt them... Now, he cares, a great deal, not because there was actual political abuse of power (there wasn’t) but because the same media which lied to him for three years about “RUSSIA!!!!” told him to care. I give him some credit, this time he’s not taken their full bait. He says it’s not impeachable but it was leverage (extortion? He won’t clarify) and thus terrible. It’s as if half his brain is trying to warn the other half to hedge this time. So there IS progress, but not enough to stop him from falling into the same logical trap as last time. People who allow themselves to be programmed have only themselves to blame when things go breasts up w their spin. "people who dont agree with my views were manipulated" go find your tin foil hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Capco said: He provided a quid pro quo on national television when he said that he wanted China to investigate political opponents and that his treatment of China in the trade war negotiations would depend on that. He didn't say that. Does it help him with negotiations? Doubtful. Does he say a lot of stupid crap? Yes. The whole question I have about Ukraine is did Trump pressure them to withhold aid unless they investigated Biden's son under the guise of rooting out corruption? Or were they really worried about corruption? The answer to that question is likely swayed by your view of Trump. Trump also needs to ax Guliani as he's doing him no favors. They don't have a smoking gun though so impeachment at this point is fruitless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Seems like some were omitted: https://www.bing.com/search?q=russian+donations+to+the+clinton+foundation&form=PRHPC1&pc=HCTE&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=92686d37a61d4673809589fdb03fc3ae&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=russian+donations+to+the+clinton+foundation&sc=3-43&qs=n&sk=&cvid=92686d37a61d4673809589fdb03fc3ae A Russian tech fund was paying the CF millions while the State Department was pushing US IT firms to back Skolkovo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Tucker Carlson says Trump's Ukraine call was inappropriate: 'There's no way to spin this' In a sign that the right-wing media's relentless defense of President Donald Trump may be cracking, Fox News host Tucker Carlson published an op-ed with Daily Caller co-founder and publisher Neil Patel zinging Trump for his call with Ukraine's president. "Donald Trump should not have been on the phone with a foreign head of state encouraging another country to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden," Carlson and Patel wrote. "Some Republicans are trying, but there's no way to spin this as a good idea." https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/05/media/tucker-carlson-op-ed-ukraine-trump-impeachment/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 36 minutes ago, John Adams said: You're an idiot. It's your track record in the very thread you created. Sorry that you disagree, but you were given every opportunity to adjust your take but you never did. With regard to this situation, you're framing the question incorrectly and allowing the narrative once again to take you away from reason and logic and to a place where you're reacting emotionally. You see the conduct on Trump's part as "horrendous" and "gross". And that's all well and good. It's your opinion. But it's also a shallow analysis of what's happening and allows you to turn off your brain in favor of reacting emotionally to the narrative being pushed by the very same people who lied to your face for three years about Trump and Russia. The same people who lied to your face about government spying programs not targeting Americans without cause. The same people who lied to you about WMD being in Iraq... the list is long in just this past decade and should give any reasonable person a moment of pause. The real question to ask is whether or not you, JA, believe Joe Biden is corrupt. Do you believe that his son being on the board of a foreign gas company, without experience, is proper -- especially when Biden was tasked with lobbying the Ukraine on its energy policy prior to the hiring of his son? If it's not illegal on the surface, doesn't the appearance at least warrant an investigation into whether or not there was any shenanigans afoot? That's THE question to ask first. Because if you do not think Joe is corrupt, or that there's anything wrong with the appearance of possible corruption, then of course Trump asking anyone to look into Biden would seem, to you, to be politically motivated above all else. After all, the corruption isn't real with Joe, right? Now compare that to what launched the investigation into Trump. Trump was put through three years of investigations by multiple investigatory bodies and agencies all based on now proven fake news stories supplied by his political opposition. That was the basis for three years of search warrants, interviews, a SCO investigation, and multiple FISA warrants into Obama and Clinton's political rival. It was done with Obama's knowledge and approval, with Clinton's knowledge and approval -- and many in Congress who are crying about protecting the republic today. Trump had a microscope shoved up his ass and the most invasive tools of surveillance and investigation ever created by man were unleashed on him based on less than what's in the public on Joe. They searched his entire life, the lives of everyone he ever had even MINIMAL contact with and the lives of people THOSE people had contact with. In the end what did they find? No crimes. No illegalities. NOTHING was found to justify what had been done to a US citizen. There was nothing found to support the original premise which kicked off the whole investigation. The only thing that was uncovered was that Trump, prior to being in office, had paid for sex. Not illegally, not in violation of any oath he took, not at the expense of his company or the tax payers. He paid with his own money to keep the affairs quiet. That's ALL they could find after three years of intense scrutiny -- something that had NO bearing on his ability to be CiC and something that was already widely known about Trump's character. In other words, they found NOTHING after three years. Now, ask yourself and answer honestly... do you think Joe Biden would come out as clean as Trump if he were put under FISA surveillance? Imagine the FBI and CIA talking to and/or surveilling everyone he ever talked to, and everyone they ever talked to. What if the authorities went through every email, text, and call Biden ever made, or any calls or emails or texts his son ever made? Let alone everyone they've ever spoken to in their life (which would include most of Congress and previous presidential administrations)? Do you think Joe comes out squeaky clean like Trump did? I don't. Do you think Hillary and Bill would come out clean? Obama? Romney? Schiff? Pelosi? Paul Ryan? I sure don't. And neither do most American voters. Remember, these are public servants who worked for 150-250k a year for decades and now are worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Do you think that happened ethically or through book deals? Do you think there's not systemic graft and corruption built into our federal government at that level? Or do you think everyone who works there is a boy scout who is above being asked these kinds of questions because of the "gross" politics involved in doing so? I sure don't. And neither does the majority of the country who look at this honestly. That's why, gross or not, Trump's actions are not going to be viewed as going after a political rival but going after systemic corruption of which Biden partook. That's an ocean's worth of difference. And it's why Trump's winning on this issue and why it's going to be a disaster for those pushing it. So, JA, do you think Biden is completely clean? Or do you think there's at least enough there to warrant a closer look? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's your track record in the very thread you created. Sorry that you disagree, but you were given every opportunity to adjust your take but you never did. With regard to this situation, you're framing the question incorrectly and allowing the narrative once again to take you away from reason and logic and to a place where you're reacting emotionally. You see the conduct on Trump's part as "horrendous" and "gross". And that's all well and good. It's your opinion. But it's also a shallow analysis of what's happening and allows you to turn off your brain in favor of reacting emotionally to the narrative being pushed by the very same people who lied to your face for three years about Trump and Russia. The same people who lied to your face about government spying programs not targeting Americans without cause. The same people who lied to you about WMD being in Iraq... the list is long in just this past decade and should give any reasonable person a moment of pause. The real question to ask is whether or not you, JA, believe Joe Biden is corrupt. Do you believe that his son being on the board of a foreign gas company, without experience, is proper -- especially when Biden was tasked with lobbying the Ukraine on its energy policy prior to the hiring of his son? If it's not illegal on the surface, doesn't the appearance at least warrant an investigation into whether or not there was any shenanigans afoot? That's THE question to ask first. Because if you do not think Joe is corrupt, or that there's anything wrong with the appearance of possible corruption, then of course Trump asking anyone to look into Biden would seem, to you, to be politically motivated above all else. After all, the corruption isn't real with Joe, right? Now compare that to what launched the investigation into Trump. Trump was put through three years of investigations by multiple investigatory bodies and agencies all based on now proven fake news stories supplied by his political opposition. That was the basis for three years of search warrants, interviews, a SCO investigation, and multiple FISA warrants into Obama and Clinton's political rival. It was done with Obama's knowledge and approval, with Clinton's knowledge and approval -- and many in Congress who are crying about protecting the republic today. Trump had a microscope shoved up his ass and the most invasive tools of surveillance and investigation ever created by man were unleashed on him based on less than what's in the public on Joe. They searched his entire life, the lives of everyone he ever had even MINIMAL contact with and the lives of people THOSE people had contact with. In the end what did they find? No crimes. No illegalities. NOTHING was found to justify what had been done to a US citizen. There was nothing found to support the original premise which kicked off the whole investigation. The only thing that was uncovered was that Trump, prior to being in office, had paid for sex. Not illegally, not in violation of any oath he took, not at the expense of his company or the tax payers. He paid with his own money to keep the affairs quiet. That's ALL they could find after three years of intense scrutiny -- something that had NO bearing on his ability to be CiC and something that was already widely known about Trump's character. In other words, they found NOTHING after three years. Now, ask yourself and answer honestly... do you think Joe Biden would come out as clean as Trump if he were put under FISA surveillance? Imagine the FBI and CIA talking to and/or surveilling everyone he ever talked to, and everyone they ever talked to. What if the authorities went through every email, text, and call Biden ever made, or any calls or emails or texts his son ever made? Let alone everyone they've ever spoken to in their life (which would include most of Congress and previous presidential administrations)? Do you think Joe comes out squeaky clean like Trump did? I don't. Do you think Hillary and Bill would come out clean? Obama? Romney? Schiff? Pelosi? Paul Ryan? I sure don't. And neither do most American voters. Remember, these are public servants who worked for 150-250k a year for decades and now are worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Do you think that happened ethically or through book deals? Do you think there's not systemic graft and corruption built into our federal government at that level? Or do you think everyone who works there is a boy scout who is above being asked these kinds of questions because of the "gross" politics involved in doing so? I sure don't. And neither does the majority of the country who look at this honestly. That's why, gross or not, Trump's actions are not going to be viewed as going after a political rival but going after systemic corruption of which Biden partook. That's an ocean's worth of difference. And it's why Trump's winning on this issue and why it's going to be a disaster for those pushing it. So, JA, do you think Biden is completely clean? Or do you think there's at least enough there to warrant a closer look? Odds of me reading that wall of text in response to me calling you an idiot: 0%. Edited October 5, 2019 by John Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 I see you regulars got back from your parade on 5th Avenue....celebrating your extraordinary ability to contort logic and suspend the belief system you say you have....bravo! You really are a bunch of puds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 dang. How many profiles does this dude have? ITs so easy to see that ONE person has multiple profiles. that's a lot of work, logging on, posting some crazy. then logging off, back onto another profile and upvoting and replying to the other profile? strange.. someone needs a hobby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Crayola64 said: "people who dont agree with my views were manipulated" go find your tin foil hat For someone who says they can't stand more than a few days here has sure been here a lot the past week or so. 13 minutes ago, Chris farley said: dang. How many profiles does this dude have? ITs so easy to see that ONE person has multiple profiles. that's a lot of work, logging on, posting some crazy. then logging off, back onto another profile and upvoting and replying to the other profile? strange.. someone needs a hobby. I must really suck at detecting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 What it's all about... despite the hype: 1 hour ago, John Adams said: Odds of me reading that wall of text in response to me calling you an idiot: 0%. I know. You enjoy revealing in your own self imposed ignorance. It's your thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Look how far back this Ukraine story goes and why wouldn't Trump want the loss of $1.8 billion in aid investigated by the new administration? March, 2018 https://pjmedia.com/trending/did-biden-save-this-ukraine-firm-responsible-for-1-8b-in-missing-aid-his-son-is-on-the-board/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 @Deranged Rhino. Looked in to Devon Archer yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, DC Tom said: @Deranged Rhino. Looked in to Devon Archer yet? Early stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: I must really suck at detecting this. Or he's nuts. Take your pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, John Adams said: Or he's nuts. Take your pick. Well seeing he’s not the only one insinuating this and I know myself pretty well I’m going with I suck at it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 5 hours ago, ALF said: Tucker Carlson says Trump's Ukraine call was inappropriate: 'There's no way to spin this' In a sign that the right-wing media's relentless defense of President Donald Trump may be cracking, Fox News host Tucker Carlson published an op-ed with Daily Caller co-founder and publisher Neil Patel zinging Trump for his call with Ukraine's president. "Donald Trump should not have been on the phone with a foreign head of state encouraging another country to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden," Carlson and Patel wrote. "Some Republicans are trying, but there's no way to spin this as a good idea." https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/05/media/tucker-carlson-op-ed-ukraine-trump-impeachment/index.html No way to spin the politics. Not illegalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Early stages. Three words: "Rosemont Senaca Partners." And Blue Horseshoe loves Hollbrook Potash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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