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all fanhood aside: what is needed to anoint Josh Allen as "the one"

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Average 260+ yards a game, 2.5+ TD to 1 INT, ratio, 65% completion percentage, 25+ total touchdowns, dominate a top 10 defense, and beat another top QB in a shootout. 

 

If he can achieve those parameters regularly he’ll be a top 10 QB in this league. 

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Lead a winning record team that has a capable offense

Beat the Patriots (at least split with them consistently)

Make the playoffs

Win a playoff game on offense (not a 6-3 defensive battle)

 

Until all that happens, it's just cheering how he looks in shorts and the cool stuff he says in press conferences.

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Pretty simple, he's gotta win a Superbowl.  Otherwise you're just another Andy Dalton.

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7 minutes ago, Jobot said:

Pretty simple, he's gotta win a Superbowl.  Otherwise you're just another Andy Dalton.

Or Jim Kelly 

Or Dan Marino

Or Warren Moon

Or Donnovan McNabb

 

Terrible QBs

Unlike All Pros Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer

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Call me a homer all day every day, but the "aha" moment for me with Allen already came the same day my youngest was born, 9/23/18:

 

Bills QB Josh Allen Just Hurdled 6'5" Vikings Linebacker ...

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Over his last 3 NFL games, Allen has completed 64.5% (60-93) of his passes, for 731 yds (244 yds per game), and totalled 9 TDs (5 passing and 4 rushing). If he can continue that kind of production on a consistent basis over a career, this team will be successful for a long time.

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3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Over his last 3 NFL games, Allen has completed 64.5% (60-93) of his passes, for 731 yds (244 yds per game), and totalled 9 TDs (5 passing and 4 rushing). If he can continue that kind of production on a consistent basis over a career, this team will be successful for a long time.

As soon as Allen defeats the Patriots, this stuff will take of itself.

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49 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Easy. Playoff Wins

 

Lots of bad QBs have playoff wins though. 

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2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Lots of bad QBs have playoff wins though. 

 

and there a few examples of 'average' QB's winning the SB; Dilfer, Johnson, Rypien...

 

wasn't Roethlisberger's first SB year mediocre from the stat perspective?  the "Bus Superbowl" was the worst stats for a winning QB in history?

 

i'm going to say wins and contribution and the rest will fall in line; do your job as the coaches dictate, sprinkle in talent and ability and help your team win from your position.

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10 hours ago, rayray808 said:

We all come with a bias on these message boards of being Bills fans... some loved him when drafted, some hated, and most had their doubts... but out of curiosity - what would need to happen for you to finally sit back and be like "alright, Josh Allen is the franchise"

 

My answer: eliminate head scratching turn overs, and at a minimum split the season series with the Pats but be relevant in both games

He IS the one.  He is still growing, and no one can see exactly what the finished product will look like, but he IS the one. 

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For me, he would have to enter a simulation world, run by our robot overlords, which is actually one collective AI consciousness.  And while in that simulation world, he would have to be able to break all laws of physics and go beyond the framework of said world, while leading the human race out of bondage and negotiating a peace treaty with the AI consciousness.

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Why’s this matter - as long as he’s the best QBon the roster and they are winning no need to overthink this. 

 

I’m starting to understand why people joke about those SAPs that insist on having the ‘what are we’ relationship talk...

 

have fun, let it run its course. Don’t worry about how to define things until from a contract standpoint it’s needed. 

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Dominate the teams he should dominate; win the games he should win.

 

Elevate the offense in games where things aren't going as planned.

 

Be the deciding factor in some franchise defining wins in close games against equal or superior opponents.

 

Be the deciding factor in some wins that maybe the team as a whole didn't deserve and wouldn't have won if not for his play.

 

Don't cost the team wins in game they should otherwise win.

 

I don't care what it looks like or how he does it, but this is my definition of "franchise QB"; anything less than this is middle of the pack replaceable or worse.

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2 hours ago, Dopey said:

This is a big litmus test for me. Having a strong game against the best team in the NFL could bring more confidence to Josh and the rest of the team. I know they should feel like they can beat anybody, but...it is NE.

AND......It's at home!!!

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Personally, I think he already is.

 

But...in the media and around the nation's eye...a good season of throwing the ball which would be in 4000+ yard neighborhood with 30+ total TDs, 60+ comp %, reasonable or less amount of turnovers...

 

...and most importantly...playoffs with at least a playoff win.  

 

Again, my eye test tells me he already is.  But non-bills fan will want to see the above first.  

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I am like the prophet Samuel.  I have been sent to you that Josh Allen is the anointed one.  / thread

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You guys are trying to set a standard that no QB except for Eli Manning has met. No one consistently beats NE year in and year out. Look at what Belichick's defense did to Mahomes in the AFC Championship game last year. Goff looked like he forgot how to play football when faced with Belichick's D. Payton Manning took how many attempts to beat NE in the playoffs? Payton (most likely a first ballot HOFer) was 6-11 in head to head matchups with NE when Brady plays. By your standards, every other QB in the league except for Brady sucks. Well, except for Jake Plumber, who for some strange reason was 3-0 in head to head matchups with Brady.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/am59wu/oc_tom_bradys_career_record_by_opposing_starting/

 

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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Personally, I think he already is.

 

But...in the media and around the nation's eye...a good season of throwing the ball which would be in 4000+ yard neighborhood with 30+ total TDs, 60+ comp %, reasonable or less amount of turnovers...

 

...and most importantly...playoffs with at least a playoff win.  

 

Again, my eye test tells me he already is.  But non-bills fan will want to see the above first.  

 

Only if the rest of the world was as good a fan as you.  

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11 or more wins this year. 65%+ completion percentage. 3,500+ yds. TD/INT rate 3:1  20+ passing TD's  6+ Rushing TD's 400+ rushing.

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5 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

11 or more wins this year. 65%+ completion percentage. 3,500+ yds. TD/INT rate 3:1  20+ passing TD's  6+ Rushing TD's 400+ rushing.

Good thing you kept it simple.

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