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37 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

What I love is he throws the ball all over the field and utilizes all the receivers.

 

 

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Ooooohhhh I love these charts! Thanks for posting!

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On 9/15/2019 at 4:20 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't agree. I think that would have been a highlight catch. Laid out with a DB right there. I have been as critical as anyone of Zay Jones but that one is not a drop. 

 

I don't disagree that it was a good throw under the circumstances by the way... I think it was. I just don't think it was on anyone that it ended incomplete. 

 

Well Cover1 who uses the All 22 to do their write-ups and recaps rated Zay a dud and said he dropped the TD pass.  I watched it back and it looked like a ball he should have caught as well.  And lets be honest, Zay doesn't exactly have the track record for the benefit of the doubt here either.  I would personally still like to see the All 22 myself before I make any real declaration on it, but until then it looked like a drop and Cover1 seems to agree.  

 

https://www.cover1.net/buffalo-bills-studs-duds-new-york-giants/

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30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well Cover1 who uses the All 22 to do their write-ups and recaps rated Zay a dud and said he dropped the TD pass.  I watched it back and it looked like a ball he should have caught as well.  And lets be honest, Zay doesn't exactly have the track record for the benefit of the doubt here either.  I would personally still like to see the All 22 myself before I make any real declaration on it, but until then it looked like a drop and Cover1 seems to agree.  

 

https://www.cover1.net/buffalo-bills-studs-duds-new-york-giants/

 

I’m more upset that treD white got honorable mention under duds.

 

I want to see the all22 also. My opinion in the game was it was a tough catch, one that most #1s make but I’m not sure anyone on the Bills is that good, maybe Cole. 

 

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2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I’m more upset that treD white got honorable mention under duds.

 

I want to see the all22 also. My opinion in the game was it was a tough catch, one that most #1s make but I’m not sure anyone on the Bills is that good, maybe Cole. 

 

 

 

I think Cole makes that catch, but I also think he gets a bit more separation making it a much easier catch.

 

The issue is that if people compare Zay to a #1 he is going to be a “dud” most weeks.  We saw that the last 2 years, but if you look at what he does as a 4th or 5th WR - the role he is in - then he is average.  

 

Zay got his his hands on a low and away ball with a DB on his back.  It was catchable, but was a very difficult catch because the throw was going away from him and he was running a flat route.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well Cover1 who uses the All 22 to do their write-ups and recaps rated Zay a dud and said he dropped the TD pass.  I watched it back and it looked like a ball he should have caught as well.  And lets be honest, Zay doesn't exactly have the track record for the benefit of the doubt here either.  I would personally still like to see the All 22 myself before I make any real declaration on it, but until then it looked like a drop and Cover1 seems to agree.  

 

https://www.cover1.net/buffalo-bills-studs-duds-new-york-giants/

 

I don't care what they think. I think they are wrong.

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Has anyone had a chance to look at the All-22 clip of Allen's pass to Zay Jones in the EZ? 

 

Tried looking for it quick on twitter but couldn't find it.  I'd just like to see the angles and see how close it was to being a catch.  The in-game camera angle was horrible.

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16 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well Cover1 who uses the All 22 to do their write-ups and recaps rated Zay a dud and said he dropped the TD pass.  I watched it back and it looked like a ball he should have caught as well.  And lets be honest, Zay doesn't exactly have the track record for the benefit of the doubt here either.  I would personally still like to see the All 22 myself before I make any real declaration on it, but until then it looked like a drop and Cover1 seems to agree.  

 

https://www.cover1.net/buffalo-bills-studs-duds-new-york-giants/

 

 

That is not by a guy that does film work at Cover 1 and I do not believe he has looked at the all 22 - that is just his opinion.

 

We will need to wait and see.

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9 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

That is not by a guy that does film work at Cover 1 and I do not believe he has looked at the all 22 - that is just his opinion.

 

We will need to wait and see.

 

All-22 is up.  I just don't have access to it from where I am right now and can't find the play on twitter.

 

That's a play I'd definitely like to see.  I was surprised they didn't replay it during the broadcast.

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1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Has anyone had a chance to look at the All-22 clip of Allen's pass to Zay Jones in the EZ? 

 

Tried looking for it quick on twitter but couldn't find it.  I'd just like to see the angles and see how close it was to being a catch.  The in-game camera angle was horrible.

 

I still say it was a tough catch.

 

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35 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

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Looked like a drop to me during the game but I didn't think it was this bad...that is a drop and a half

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45 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I still say it was a tough catch.

 

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I mean it's not a catch I could come up with, but I think it's one an NFL WR should make 8 or 9 times out of 10.

 

Zay has had more egregious drops in his career though.

 

Still don't know why the broadcast didn't replay that.

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On 9/16/2019 at 5:58 AM, JoPoy88 said:

Holy hell way to generalize. Unbelievable. Some people think it’s an indicator or accuracy, and you fought them tooth and nail. Now it’s all good? Like MDH said, you can’t have it both ways. And allen doesn’t need someone toting his jock 24/7. 

 

He overthrew brown by 6 yards when he had 6 yards of separation on the nearest defender. Sorry, 6 points

On a drive that still ended with a TD?

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56 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I still say it was a tough catch.

 

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He had more separation than it looked like during the game - still a very tough catch because the ball is going away from him.

 

Would of been a heck of a play all around.  

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Looked like Zay had a step on the defender as Allen released it. He looked well covered in real time. Regardless, I still wouldn’t call it a drop.

 

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Decided to peruse through "Captain All in for Rosen" Jeremy White's Twitter.  

 

He's tweeted more about Rasmus Dahlin and Jared Goff in the last 48 hours then he has about Allen.

 

I see one tweet about Allen and it's a retweet of the "I am in New York" post game comments.  Went to Mike Schopp's......exact same.  Only Allen tweet was that. 

 

Oh....they both retweeted a tweet of 2 Mahomes plays.  

 

Sad!

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Here's the missed TD to Zay:

 

 

Tough catch but I'd like Zay to make more than 1 out every 10 tough catch.

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People keep talking about the passes WR's dropped, but they shouldn't leave out the amount of passes DB's dropped as well (including in the Jets game).

Allen could have had at least 2 more INT's this season, and likely more. Between tipped balls and outright freebies that were dropped, we've gotten lucky so far.

Hoping that continues, but can't rely on that against actual good teams we face. 

The thing Josh needs to improve upon the most is ball placement, not just getting the completion. There have been times a WR has been WIDE the hell open and got no YAC because of how they had to make a miracle grab to even catch the ball. This isn't just on deep passes either, though his deep ball accuracy needs work too (missed a wide open man last week for an easy TD). 

Brown seems to be able to find separation often, and hitting him in stride will allow us to pick up much bigger chunks of yardage. Part of the problem might just be his size though. What might seem like a normal pass to him ends up requiring a huge leap and full arm extensions for our WR's to even have a chance of catching the ball. I'm sure there's some way to help improve in that area, but some of it isn't really his fault.

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2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

I still say it was a tough catch.

 

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I would say the catch is not easy but it is a catch that good receivers make most of the time.  If Zay didn't have butter fingers, I don't think dropping one would be a big deal but he drops a lot.

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On 9/15/2019 at 4:05 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

That and missing Brown wide open for the TD early. They were the only two I thought were on Josh. 

 

I wound it back. Looked like Josh's primary reads were not there, Zay just kept working to try and get open and Josh didn't quite get his mechanics right trying to fit it into an extremely tight window. 

 

Well the All 22 is up, did you see it?  This play did not go the way you thought above.  Zay ran his route and one of only 2 routes on the play.  Was no extra working to get open, it was his route and Allen read him all the way and dropped back and fired.  

 

I will say that it was not an easy gimme catch since it was a diving catch.  But it still hit him right in the hands and was catchable.  

 

The guy just doesn’t make plays, and at this level in the NFL you expect a guy to make that catch most the time when it hits him in the hands.  And especially late in a one score game, you want your guy to make that play.  

 

Wasn’t as bad as his drop in preseason, but still another moment Zay had a chance to make a play and came up short.  And so far, there are just too many of these moments and not enough impactful moments.  

 

 

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Bit of friendly advise:

 

Let yourself be happy. 

 

I understand and that being happy and hopeful and optimistic can lend to feeling emotionally vulnerable. Nobody wants to be hurt, but you can make the decision to let the positivity in. 

 

 But cmon y’all - it isn’t healthy to go out and win two road games in the NFL with your quarterback balling out and opening the eyes of the world and agonize about the extra interception he COULD have thrown. 

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How much of that is Josh getting better and how much is having competent WRs? Lat year the Bills were 3rd for most drops. I would think the absence of KB is good for at least 5% lol

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41 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I would say the catch is not easy but it is a catch that good receivers make most of the time.  If Zay didn't have butter fingers, I don't think dropping one would be a big deal but he drops a lot.

 

Zay makes routine catches look hard because he always leaves his feet and is either leaping or diving to trap the ball. I think he just does not trust his hands and that's a problem with a qb who is going to throw passes on a rope in front of his receiver and away from the defender trailing him.

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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well the All 22 is up, did you see it?  This play did not go the way you thought above.  Zay ran his route and one of only 2 routes on the play.  Was no extra working to get open, it was his route and Allen read him all the way and dropped back and fired.  

 

 

 

 

Just looked - I think Zay was the primary read. But I still think it isn't a drop. That is a really difficult catch to make and as I said before Josh doesn't quite set himself. It is a really tight window the window between throwing it where the defender can't undercut and where it is properly catchable by Zay. It doesn't hit Zay in the hands more like Zay manages to get a hand to it. I don't blame Josh for the throw but I don't blame Zay for a drop either. It just wasn't quite there. 

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I would say the catch is not easy but it is a catch that good receivers make most of the time.  If Zay didn't have butter fingers, I don't think dropping one would be a big deal but he drops a lot.

 

I don't agree. That is a catch even the top receivers in the league strike about .250 on. 

 

I get why people don't want to give Zay the benefit of the doubt. I have criticised him as much as anyone - but people are seeing that play through the prism of Zay's career. He has dropped too many balls he should definitely catch. That was not one of them.

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