Kirby Jackson Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Luck ahead of Flacco? Luck's sample size is smaller, has 12K less yards, and 30 less TDs. Also played small in the playoffs. 4-4 record, 12-13 TD-INT ratio and a QB rating of 74. Obviously I'm putting more emphasis on playoff performance than others. But if the goal is to win a championship shouldn't performance in big moments count a bit more than throwing for 300 yards in a losing effort in a regular season game ? Luck to me is tricky but appeared to be on his way to greatness despite the injuries. I guess that I look at it as if I was starting a franchise, knowing what we know now, in what order would I draft the QBs? To me, Flacco was clutch when he got to the playoffs but was rarely, if ever, the reason that his team got there. I did go back and forth on those 2 (in part because of career length) but I just think Luck was a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 You can't put a guy that has had 1 stellar season, as someone that has dominated ...in this century. It's ridiculously short sighted and the very definition of putting the cart before the horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 20 hours ago, RiotAct said: Rivers 100% and it’s not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 19 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Question in intended to be about actual results , not potential. I think Rivers is the right answer. Results? Then it's Flacco over Rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Deshaun Watson. Mahomes is ahead of the pack but in terms of judging what guys have done on the field Watson is way ahead of 3rd place among the young guys. Again there is a question about him protecting himself and making sure his career is a long one - as there is for Allen actually - but Watson's level of performance since he has been in the league has been incredible. The way Mahomes has played as kind of overshadowed it but Watson's performance has been outstanding. Yes, I thought about Watson too. Maybe I underestimate him, but I just don't see Houston as a perennial contender. I'm being a homer for the Bills of course. It's all hope there. I think Watson ends up like Palmer. A good QB on a so-so team that cracks the playoffs once or twice during his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: Yes, I thought about Watson too. Maybe I underestimate him, but I just don't see Houston as a perennial contender. I'm being a homer for the Bills of course. It's all hope there. I think Watson ends up like Palmer. A good QB on a so-so team that cracks the playoffs once or twice during his career. Watson is going to be a lot better than Carson Palmer. He has already shown that I think. I am not sure Houston is a perennial championship contender under its current leadership. But they will be in and around the playoffs every year while Deshaun is their QB. Even as a rookie we saw how he elevated a so-so team - Watson started 6 times as a rookie and went 3-3. In the remaining 10 games the Texans went 1-9. Edited September 14, 2019 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 3 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: The scariest part is both are ultimately disappointing. I think sustained success means you may need to have a QB in that ultra-upper echelon, Rivers/Flacco level ultimately falls short. Among the young QBs i think Mahomes will be one of those guys. I also think Josh Allen will be. Don't see the potential in any of the other young AFC QBs (not even Watson) Watson will be. 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Rivers and it's not close. If it wasn't for Big Ben's SB victories you could argue that Rivers did more with less. Roethlisberger stats - 56,470 yards, 363 TD's, 191 INT's, 64.4% completion percentage, 94.1 passer rating Rivers stats - 54,989 yards, 377 TD's, 179 INT's, 64.6% completion percentage, 95.7 passer rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Rivers and it's not close. If it wasn't for Big Ben's SB victories you could argue that Rivers did more with less. Roethlisberger stats - 56,470 yards, 363 TD's, 191 INT's, 64.4% completion percentage, 94.1 passer rating Rivers stats - 54,989 yards, 377 TD's, 179 INT's, 64.6% completion percentage, 95.7 passer rating Yea Rivers is Ben without 3 SB appearances and 2 rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 7:22 PM, MassHog said: Rivers for sure. Luck comes after him, then after that I guess its Maholmes? After that I guess its Flacco? Flacco has a ring and a historical run in the playoffs. What does Mahomes have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Kurt Warner. Thats a tough one but again, people are forgeting kurt warner. Brett Favre also played for 10 years of it. If you discount SBs as a team accomplishment then you are forget Romo as well. Kurt Warner and Romo played in the NFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Brett Farve was a jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Gardner Minshew, drops mic ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassHog Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Flacco has a ring and a historical run in the playoffs. What does Mahomes have? One of the single best QB seasons of all time. In his first season. Flacco also has the last few years where he was not good. Edited September 15, 2019 by MassHog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 59 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Kurt Warner and Romo played in the NFC Oh duh I missed that. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 7:15 PM, ChevyVanMiller said: Peterman. Can there be any debate? Preseason Champ! 8 hours ago, MJS said: I think Flacco is overrated because of his playoff performances. He's been average and even below average in the regular season. To me you have to consider the entire package, not just the playoffs, not just the big games, but everything. Flacco is inconsistent to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, MassHog said: One of the single best QB seasons of all time. In his first season. Flacco also has the last few years where he was not good. A lot of QBs do. Most do not ride off into the sunset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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