Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: Yeah, but there were about 57 ways Shrmrrr could’ve said the exact same thing more diplomatically. He was going for the dickish soundbite, for whatever reason. Maybe he wanted to stir the sh** in the hopes of getting Josh Allen to press and take risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maybe he wanted to stir the sh** in the hopes of getting Josh Allen to press and take risks. Exactly. Or distract from the fact that once Eli goes out in an inevitable pink mist of bone shards and blood, his #2 QB is Dopier JJ Reddick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: It’s a very fair comment on josh as a prospect. Huge upside but raw equates to potential to be an Nfl starting qb. Very rare are the slam dunk prospects and he wasn’t that guy. Not true. QBs taken in the top 10, which JA was assured of, are guaranteed NFL starters. Shurmur was saying they had him as a round 2 prospect. Only way to read it. And yes, it’s disrespectful and a dumb thing for a HC to say. It’s OK, Shurmur will be lucky to last the season. Total mediocrity. A walking advertisement for the Rooney Rule. Edited September 13, 2019 by mannc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Just use it as motivation to tear the Giants a new one. That's all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: Not true. QBs taken in the top 10, which JA was assured of, are guaranteed NFL starters. Shurmur was saying they had him as a round 2 prospect. Only way to read it. And yes, it’s disrespectful and a dumb thing for a HC to say. It’s OK, Shurmur will be lucky to last the season. Total mediocrity. A walking advertisement for the Rooney Rule. Yes this. I’m not quite sure what Shurmur was trying to imply, but I think u got it right. Honestly I don’t think anyone will be caring about what Pat Shurmur has to say about anything after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 hours ago, mannc said: Not true. QBs taken in the top 10, which JA was assured of, are guaranteed NFL starters. Shurmur was saying they had him as a round 2 prospect. Only way to read it. And yes, it’s disrespectful and a dumb thing for a HC to say. It’s OK, Shurmur will be lucky to last the season. Total mediocrity. A walking advertisement for the Rooney Rule. Top ten will get a shot to start whether they are ready or not and many (most) do not establish themselves as nfl starters. Would you call EJ, for instance, an Nfl starter when discussing the tier of qb he was in his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 hours ago, mannc said: Not true. QBs taken in the top 10, which JA was assured of, are guaranteed NFL starters. Shurmur was saying they had him as a round 2 prospect. Only way to read it. And yes, it’s disrespectful and a dumb thing for a HC to say. It’s OK, Shurmur will be lucky to last the season. Total mediocrity. A walking advertisement for the Rooney Rule. ? Don't underestimate Shurmur . He is a real QB guru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 57 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Top ten will get a shot to start whether they are ready or not and many (most) do not establish themselves as nfl starters. Would you call EJ, for instance, an Nfl starter when discussing the tier of qb he was in his career? Here’s the point: You don’t draft a QB in the top 10 unless you project him as a guy who will be a long-term starter in the NFL, although not necessarily as a rookie. You would take a QB in rounds 2-4 if you think he’s only got a “chance” to be a starter. Thus, Shurmur was saying, in effect, that they had Allen projected as a round 2-4 guy. Whether that’s true or not, it’s a stupid and disrespectful thing to say about a guy who went 7 overall and who you’re about to play against. 1 hour ago, ALF said: ? Don't underestimate Shurmur . He is a real QB guru Yes, I can tell by his lifetime coaching record of .300...a real genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, mannc said: Here’s the point: You don’t draft a QB in the top 10 unless you project him as a guy who will be a long-term starter in the NFL, although not necessarily as a rookie. You would take a QB in rounds 2-4 if you think he’s only got a “chance” to be a starter. Thus, Shurmur was saying, in effect, that they had Allen projected as a round 2-4 guy. Whether that’s true or not, it’s a stupid and disrespectful thing to say about a guy who went 7 overall and who you’re about to play against. Yes, I can tell by his lifetime coaching record of .300...a real genius. When 50%(?) of top ten picks become starting QBs long term, I think you are overstating the expectation. Obviously you hope your guy is the guy but the reality is that you are just picking the guy that you think has the best shot not the guy you know is going to make it. If this slight gets you fired up on a Friday morning, have at it though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Adjectives matter. Josh has a (poor, fair, good, great) chance to be a (replacement level, mid level, long term, elite level) starter in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 One thing that is getting lost here... Shurmer has to avoid creating conflict with the GM that drafted Barkley at 2. Nobody seemed to think Allen was a sure thing, not even our own GM in an interview last week apparently. I don’t see what the controversy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 This gets a big WHO CARES from me - there's much better bulletin board material out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Shurmur wasn't alone in his pre-draft assessment of Allen. Most of the scouting reports (that we knew of) had him as a high ceiling, low floor prospect. From NFL.com: Prospect Grade 5.90 Chance to become NFL starter Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro. Allen's receivers struggled to separate, but there were plenty of times where his lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in. Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-allen?id=3219414c-4c52-9264-bedc-c4ddaf201fe7&akmobile=android&akcarrier=other But hey, if it gets the team fired up & Allen tosses 5 TDs, super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Shurmur is a decent OC who has proven to be a terrible HC I would say he is the Mike Pettine of offensive coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Royale with Cheese Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 19 hours ago, The Wiz said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/09/11/giants-will-get-close-up-look-at-the-qb-they-passed-on/amp/ Looks like Allen shot first a while ago. I know it's bad phrasing by Allen but thought it was funny. Mike Schopp drew attention to that quote on the air the other day. He said it was his favorite quote of all time, or something like that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 10 hours ago, njbuff said: Just use it as motivation to tear the Giants a new one. That's all. why do they need motivation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Matthew Fairburn talked about the quote on his podcast and basically stated that that is how guys (non-scouts) tier QBs prior to the draft. Could Pat have done a better job - yeah, but calling a guy pre-draft as a chance to be an NFL starter puts him in the top tier of QBs when they are making the evaluation. I am sure they all have their own number grades also, but what he said was not the insult everyone wants to make it, but good for the Bills if it helps motivate the team for a win What to me is more bulletin board material is the GM saying basically the QBs in that draft might be good, but he was going with the HOF player. They had a shot at 4 of the 5 first rd QBs and a chance to trade and acquire picks and they rode it out with an RB. Barkley is great and maybe the best RB in the game, but as we all know that will get you about 5 wins max unless you have a QB that complement that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 16 hours ago, NoSaint said: It’s a very fair comment on josh as a prospect. Huge upside but raw equates to potential to be an Nfl starting qb. Very rare are the slam dunk prospects and he wasn’t that guy. I spelled out why I disagree on the "fair comment" bit over in the Bills at Giants thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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