SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: Thank you. Whether you call it circumstantial or corroborative evidence, I confess to being surprised that a conviction can occur solely on the basis of the complainant's affirmations. The reason is that I have a hard time regarding such assertions as constituting evidence as such and, if that is correct, it would follow that a criminal conviction cannot proceed in the absence of evidence. Now maybe that's where I'm wrong. Maybe the complainant's allegations are in criminal law and in procedure regarded as evidence albeit rarely, if ever, of sufficient weight to displace the legal presumption of innocence. The allegations themselves (e.g., charges levied in an indictment or in a complaint) aren’t evidence, but the sworn testimony in open court with respect to the events giving rise to the allegations is evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Since this got zero responses on the previous page and a post after it did: This is the accuser (from what I can gather) in a video with AB Does this look like the Brother-Sister relationship they had in her lawsuit? That’s pretty damning, IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: That’s pretty damning, IMO. I'm confused. What does that show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: I'm confused. What does that show? Well, my very limited understanding is that she insisted there was no relationship- this shows them in flirtatious behavior and in bed together. If she is claiming there was nothing consensual, this might indicate otherwise. - I could be way off on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, whatdrought said: That’s pretty damning, IMO. In what way? He’s not entitled to do what he did without her consent, whether they are dating or what. Edit - I see now she says they never dated Edited September 11, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: In what way? He’s not entitled to do what he did without her consent, whether they are dating or what. I agree, obviously, but I thought her argument was there was nothing consensual? (I haven’t read everything so ignore me if I’m 100% off base) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Well, my very limited understanding is that she insisted there was no relationship- this shows them in flirtatious behavior and in bed together. If she is claiming there was nothing consensual, this might indicate otherwise. - I could be way off on that. I understood it that they did have an off and on thing going on but maybe not 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I agree, obviously, but I thought her argument was there was nothing consensual? (I haven’t read everything so ignore me if I’m 100% off base) I need to read her accusations again edit - you are correct. She says they never dated or had a sexual relationship Edited September 11, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Basically correct. Probable cause to believe a crime has been committed is the threshold for arrest and (I believe) charge by complaint. The threshold for an indictment — which must supersede a complaint, at least in NYS, is legally sufficient evidence. I was under the impression that 'probable cause', broadly defined, meets the threshold for both arrest and indictment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 AB is a tool which should be suspended based on his actions in Oakland. What this lady is doing is awful and should be prosecuted to the full extend of the law. Fake rape chargers are terrible and make actual rape claims unbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: In what way? He’s not entitled to do what he did without her consent, whether they are dating or what. ................ [Post Moderated for content] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: AB is a tool which should be suspended based on his actions in Oakland. What this lady is doing is awful and should be prosecuted to the full extend of the law. Fake rape chargers are terrible and make actual rape claims unbelievable I thought we weren't supposed to rush to judgement based upon what's reported in the media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, StHustle said: [moderated for content] TSW is not your personal erotica site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I thought we weren't supposed to rush to judgement based upon what's reported in the media? True, I just have a hard time believing he assaulted her three separate times. Fool me once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, StHustle said: [moderated for content} She is sleep? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I sit corrected, it's shrimp dipped in caviar. Old joke. But I'd imagine raw shrimp would work, too. https://mythologystories.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/smelly-house/ Thanks - it all makes sense now It is a good thing the divorce settlement didn't have a clause where "spouse represents & warrants there aren't any existing circumstances when signed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 18 hours ago, die hard bills fan said: Not that I like the guy in anyway but rember innocence before guilt and being a jackass football star makes him a more appealing target. I agree - everyone, even a dumba$$, deserves their day in court to face their accuser. Still, it's always nice when Satan's Team attracts some negative karma. Sooner or later that "contract" will come due and the soul harvest will commence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Pray it never happens to someone you actually care about then Rather, I'll just hope that no female I know would be so stupid to place herself in the same precarious position, that this lady suggests she found herself in with AB, by her own doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Michael Kay is blasting Kraft and the Patriots on his show right now. He said that if AB did write those emails and talking to another person like that, he has serious mental problems. He said AB and the Pats are a disgrace and that Kraft should be ashamed of himself for not cutting Brown if he did indeed write those emails. Says they will do anything to win another SB. Those emails are disgusting and if the Pats do nothing, they are disgusting as well. He also said Brady is nuts for letting him stay in his house with his wife and daughter as AB obviously has no morals or respect for any other human being. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: Michael Kay is blasting Kraft and the Patriots on his show right now. He said that if AB did write those emails and talking to another person like that, he has serious mental problems. He said AB and the Pats are a disgrace and that Kraft should be ashamed of himself for not cutting Brown if he did indeed write those emails. Says they will do anything to win another SB. Those emails are disgusting and if the Pats do nothing, they are disgusting as well. He also said Brady is nuts for letting him stay in his house with his wife and daughter as AB obviously has no morals or respect for any other human being. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: You can tell I’m a lawyer based on this response: Your reference to “armchair lawyers and psychics” is ambiguous. It’s unclear whether you meant “psychics” and “armchair lawyers,” or “armchair psychics” and “armchair lawyers.” Applying the rule that an ambiguity (in this instance, in a message board post) must be construed against the drafter, my response in no way can be deemed to have suggested that I am a psychic inasmuch as your “armchair” reference could have pertained only to the question whether I have earned/lucked into a law degree and licensure to a state bar. (And, for what it’s worth, I don’t believe in psychics.) I knew you were going to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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