Punching Bag Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part Florida schools are not known for producing good students. It is partially due to tax structure and part an siesta attitude. 3 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Probably had a deal in place with NE before AB was released also and told AB what he needed to do for it to happen. but ... but ... but that would be cheating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: No surprise there. Doing his job, trying to take the story back, and trying to protect the guaranteed cash. Rosenhaus might seem like a slippery guy, but he is good at his job. No doubt but i didn’t think he came across very well at all in the interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Not sure how much of what I am going to say has been covered, but no time to read the latest 20 pages. But here are my updated thoughts. Previously, did not want to jump to any assumptions or conclusions. Athletes, Celebs, etc are all vulnerable to money grabs and opportunistic scandals, so its never wise to just assume all is what it seems to be when these come out. HOWEVER: I like to try and look for clues and information that will help lend itself to what likely makes more sense. And now, there are a couple of things I find interesting that I think are going to really work against AB now. Lie Detector Test - If she really did take and PASS a lie detector test, that is certainly going to be very problematic for AB and obviously makes him look guilty before any real investigation or due process plays out. And with the NFL, thats not going to go well and substantially will up his odds of both going on the exempt list and even being cut by the Pats. $75,000 - She apparently only sued for $75,000 and that alone certainly makes this look LESS like a money grab and more about justice and principal. If she was all about the money, seems her and her lawyers would be suing for a lot more money. To be fair, this could also be a "strategic" move too for the purpose of painting that very picture. To also be fair, I guess AB could also use this as "proof" he feels he is innocent because its such a small amount and he didnt just pay her off as $75k is nothing to him. Ultimately, I feel this helps her the most and works against AB here. His messages certainly seem to acknowledge some of what she is claiming, so now he has to prove it was consensual which is what they are claiming. Honestly, I have changed my mind now 3 times...First, yesterday my first reaction was wow he is screwed. Then after things calmed down and digested the info, I started getting suspicious of the motives. Especially when some reports suggested she still went to work for him after these incidents. Although, to be fair, I have seem plenty of people deal with bad things and awful situations for the purpose of advancing their careers, so if she felt training AB could do that its not entirely absurd to think she swallowed her pride and still took him as a client. Especially if maybe used that as some sort of an "apology" to her or something. So I wouldn't discount her claims just because of that timeline. But now, I am back to thinking AB is screwed here and I will be pretty surprised if he isn't on the exempt list within a couple of days. I am not even talking about if he's guilty or not...talking about how what is out there will impact his career at this present time. There was already enough by his antics to warrant consideration for the exempt list technically, even though I didn't think it would actually happen. But this certainly is enough on its own, and when combined with the AB s**t show this offseason, I think the league is going to have no choice here. Question is, will the Pats cut him while on the exempt list? If he had been a long time Patriot, then I think its a tougher decision. But given he's never once suited up for them, I would think they would just cut bait with him and relieve themselves of the distraction while this is on going. If AB clears himself, then I would assume Pats would bring him right back in. So I think he is most likely going on the exempt list and then will likely be released at that point. F the Pats, and F AB!!! GOOOOOO BILLLLLLLS!!!!!!!!! #WeGotTheRightBrown #WeGotTheRightJosh The $75,000 point is misleading. She asked for damages in excess of 75k in the complaint. But ultimately I agree with you that, at this point, he looks like a viable candidate for the exempt list. I assume the NFL will speak with the plaintiff shortly, and if she appears credible Brown may have a problem with his employer. 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: No doubt but i didn’t think he came across very well at all in the interview I didn’t see it but I’m not surprised. This case is a bit unique for these agents — it’s an active sexual assault complaint and perhaps investigation. It requires a delicate touch that most of them — and perhaps particularly Rosenhaus — aren’t used to having. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: The $75,000 point is misleading. She asked for damages in excess of 75k in the complaint. But ultimately I agree with you that, at this point, he looks like a viable candidate for the exempt list. I assume the NFL will speak with the plaintiff shortly, and if she appears credible Brown may have a problem with his employer. I’m normally all for the innocent until proven guilty montra. But Antonio Brown has made the last few weeks a freak show for he NFL. He deserves guilty until proven innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Wait a second... CNN told me trump was racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, Bills2ref said: I’m normally all for the innocent until proven guilty montra. But Antonio Brown has made the last few weeks a freak show for he NFL. He deserves guilty until proven innocent. I’m not up for flipping the burden of proof. But you’ve hit on an interesting subject. The considerations here aren’t criminal — they’re basically economic for the NFL. Do you think breast cancer awareness week is an accident? I don’t. The league is actively attempting to increase its female fan base. And if there’s a hint of merit to this story, the league will not let it overshadow the 100th anniversary celebration and aggravate its female fans. No inside knowledge there - just a strong opinion. If she appears credible in a league interview then he is in deep trouble with his employer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: His agent sides with him issue is now settled ...as far as Rosenhaus being straight up, honest, forthright and a model of integrity, he IS the "Mother Teresa of NFL Agents" period...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delusional Bills Optimist Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: The $75,000 point is misleading. She asked for damages in excess of 75k in the complaint. But ultimately I agree with you that, at this point, he looks like a viable candidate for the exempt list. I assume the NFL will speak with the plaintiff shortly, and if she appears credible Brown may have a problem with his employer. Correct. A plaintiff must plead they’ve sustained damages in excess of $75,000 in order to satisfy the diversity jurisdiction requirement for filing a civil action in federal court. Otherwise, she would be limited to filing in state court. The amount of damages sought at trial will be FAR in excess of that, if it gets to that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: The $75,000 point is misleading. She asked for damages in excess of 75k in the complaint. But ultimately I agree with you that, at this point, he looks like a viable candidate for the exempt list. I assume the NFL will speak with the plaintiff shortly, and if she appears credible Brown may have a problem with his employer. I didn’t see it but I’m not surprised. This case is a bit unique for these agents — it’s an active sexual assault complaint and perhaps investigation. It requires a delicate touch that most of them — and perhaps particularly Rosenhaus — aren’t used to having. The problem with Rosenhaus’s interview was his approach was to shame the accuser. We all know that is not ok in this day and age and therefore it came off poorly.. Secondly he’s telling us that it’s false ... why? because AB says it’s false. Um... He should know that right now there aren’t many people who are less credible than AB. Talk about tone deaf. So why should we think that Drew knows it didn’t happen? We shouldn’t, which makes his absolute statement completely ring hollow. He starts laughing at the end too which contradicts his first statement (which came off totally fake) that they take the allegations very seriously. It was gross. Keep in mind - I don’t know what happened ... Just saying He should have taken a different approach. It came off fake and makes his client look worse. Edited September 11, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I’m normally all for the innocent until proven guilty montra. But Antonio Brown has made the last few weeks a freak show for he NFL. He deserves guilty until proven innocent. No. He doesn’t. I get the sentiment, but we live in a world where the presumption of innocence has been under attack for the past couple of years and it’s a standard that cannot be given up- it’s the fabric of our justice system. If brown is guilty of this, I hope he’s locked away and never plays a snap again. If Brown is not guilty, I hope the lice of a thousand camels infest his armpits and he never plays again. (Props to anyone who gets the ref.) He’s earned my disdain without being a rapist. I can hate him either way. Edited September 11, 2019 by whatdrought 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: No. He doesn’t. I get the sentiment, but we live in a world where the presumption of innocence has been under attack for the past couple of years and it’s a standard that cannot be given up- it’s the fabric of our justic system. If brown is guilty of this, I hope he’s locked away and never plays a snap again. If Brown is not guilty, I hope the lice of a thousand camels infest his armpits and he never plays again. (Props to anyone who gets the ref.) He’s earned my disdain without being a rapist. I can hate him either way. I’m not talking about criminal court. That’s always innocent util proven guilty. And it will never get there. I’m not even talking about civil court, where I think there’s maybe a 50/50 shot he is even convicted there. I’m talking about in the NFL realm. He has already made a mockery of the league and now this. Suspend him until his civil case is through and get this joke away from the league for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, Bills2ref said: I’m not talking about criminal court. That’s always innocent util proven guilty. And it will never get there. I’m not even talking about civil court, where I think there’s maybe a 50/50 shot he is even convicted there. I’m talking about in the NFL realm. He has already made a mockery of the league and now this. Suspend him until his civil case is through and get this joke away from the league for a while. Yeah but the principle has to apply to every area. If the NFL wants to protect the brand, they should punish him for his attack on the system the past 3 months. That I’m fine with. I don’t think they should hurt his career based on uncomfirmed allegations. If that’s the standard someone could accuse Josh Allen of rape right before a big game and he’d have to sit out until it was found to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Wait a second... CNN told me trump was racist Wrong forum for political posts. Don’t do it again. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: Yeah but the principle has to apply to every area. If the NFL wants to protect the brand, they should punish him for his attack on the system the past 3 months. That I’m fine with. I don’t think they should hurt his career based on uncomfirmed allegations. If that’s the standard someone could accuse Josh Allen of rape right before a big game and he’d have to sit out until it was found to be wrong. If Josh pulled what AB has pulled, I’d be all for it. He will be allowed back in the league when it passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Bills2ref said: I’m not talking about criminal court. That’s always innocent util proven guilty. And it will never get there. I’m not even talking about civil court, where I think there’s maybe a 50/50 shot he is even convicted there. I’m talking about in the NFL realm. He has already made a mockery of the league and now this. Suspend him until his civil case is through and get this joke away from the league for a while. You dont get convicted on civil court. Convictions occur in criminal.court You are found to be liable Guilt or innocence is not found in a civil lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Bills2ref said: If Josh pulled what AB has pulled, I’d be all for it. He will be allowed back in the league when it passes. Thats anarchy, not justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I’m not talking about criminal court. That’s always innocent util proven guilty. And it will never get there. I’m not even talking about civil court, where I think there’s maybe a 50/50 shot he is even convicted there. I’m talking about in the NFL realm. He has already made a mockery of the league and now this. Suspend him until his civil case is through and get this joke away from the league for a while. Ill bet anything that if he was on the bills you wouldnt say a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: There’s a lot of self-blame in situations like that. I understand your point, and it’s one that perhaps someday a jury or juries will wrestle with. But I don’t think it’s dispositive of anything. And justifiably so in cases where a "victim" still thinks it a good idea to meet up with her "attacker" for a third time, even after having had her back jizzed on without her consent by the same culprit; she probably has a load of self-blame...understandably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said: Ill bet anything that if he was on the bills you wouldnt say a word. The illiterate messages he sent alone would have made me hate that vile creature, sports teams do not overtake morals. Nevertheless I haven’t wanted Brown on the Bills one time during the offseason, check my post history. If a Bill ever pulls that BS you better believe I want him cut. Sports is just sports. 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Thats anarchy, not justice. I feel in that situation the recognized authority would be the NFL thus negating anarchy? Edited September 11, 2019 by Bills2ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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