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17 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

Guessing they wanted uptempo with time at LOS to diagnose what the defense was trying to do. It worked OTHER than the flukey turnovers

the ball was being moved quite well until...ya know.  

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The Bills didn’t win because Mosley got injured, they won because they are a better team than the Jets. When Johnson went down Neal stepped in and Bills defense didn’t miss a beat. An offense or defense being reliant on one player is a recipe for disaster. The QB position being the exception, but that’s why the rules protect them more. At the beginning of the game the play calling was odd, but seemed to be working until they shot themselves in the foot repeatedly. That being said the offensive needs to settle down. Since when was rotating tackles a thing? If Ford was struggling and you pull him so be it, but the position that that was the plan is suspect.

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55 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

60% playcalling. 40% Injury.  The injury allowed for some different play calling, but they were going to have to get the running game going, just to keep the defense honest.  The Jets defense looked like a top 5 defense.  They have serious players.

We get them again on Dec 29.  Lets hope that game still matters to the Bills.

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5% losing Mosley and 95% the Bills, including Dabold, executing properly on offense.

 

Can't folks just accept a thrilling Bills comeback win on the road against a Division rival without looking for excuses as to why they won? 

 

Well here's some excuses as to why the Bills didn't blow the Jets out in the FIRST HALF yesterday:

 

*  A lot of people are criticizing Dabold's pass happy opening but it worked.  The Bills moved the ball right down the field.  A blown block by the tackle and Allen not protecting the ball cost the Bills at least 3 & maybe 7 points.

 

*  A lot of people claim the Bills lucked out because the Jets missed an extra point & FG!  So what!  The Jets ONLY TD of the 1st half was a fluke play that 99/100 times would have been either a 5 yard gain or an incomplete pass. 

 

*  Did anyone consider that the 4th down "fumble" between Allen/Morse was a DIRECT result of Morse not being involved in any contact throughout the preseason?  This was his FIRST game of contact football this season.  Did you notice how much better Morse played in the 2nd half?  I suspect that the 1st half was a problem, including that fluky fumble, because Morse needed to adjust to the speed & physicality of the game.  Going forward the Bills will convert that 4th & one 9 times out of 10.

 

*  Or how about on 3rd & long Allen makes a nice run to put the Bills in FG range at the Jet's 24 only to see the yards lost on a ticky tacky dead ball taunting penalty against a Bill's O-lineman.

 

*  By my count if the breaks/fluke plays had evened out the Bills should have been up 13 - 3 at half!

 

*  The narrative that the Bills were lucky to win; that the offense and especially Allen were terrible in the 1st half just doesn't pass the smell test.  The Bills had multiple good drives in the 1st half that ended without points because of some fluky stuff that happens in week 1.  Throw in a 1/100 fluke pick 6 and you have a 1st half like we saw.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

We get them again on Dec 29.  Lets hope that game still matters to the Bills.

Or that the Bills have clinched playoff birth and home field and the game doesn’t matter.

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1 hour ago, teef said:

i figured it was a bit of both.  why they refused to work the run game to start the game i have no idea.

 

To try to expose that secondary, which they were doing until the screwups happened. Allen had 150 yds passing at the half.

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2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

To try to expose that secondary, which they were doing until the screwups happened. Allen had 150 yds passing at the half.

it's hard to ignore the turnovers, but he really was moving the ball effectively.  

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As one of the morning WGR jockeys pointed out this AM, they don't have any asterisks by the Patsies latest trophy, just because the Rams didn't have a healthy Gurley playing in the SB, right? It's a next man up league, and no one cares to mark the W-L records any less for it. The Bills made adjustments after the half, the Jests did not, and it showed. 

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1 hour ago, GG said:

I'd say Daboll's playcalling was responsible for the anemic 1st half. 

 

I'll wait until I see more on All-22, but I though Daboll was being too cute in the 1st half.  I thought that they had too much motion to try to catch Jets off balance, but the Bills never snapped the ball to exploit the mismatches.   In the first drive, a split out DiMarco was wide open for a while, but Jets recovered before the snap. 

 

My problem is that Daboll kept going back to that formation throughout the game, even as the Jets caught on.   I understand that Daboll is trying to set the offense for the rest of the year, and hopefully they'll be able to exploit this movement once the offense gets more comfortable, but this was also  game where the opponent had a very weak secondary, and Daboll didn't do enough to expose the real weakness.   This game should not have been this close.

 

Don't confuse anemic with error prone. The Bills offense was plenty potent first half. But those turnovers erased the effort.

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Mosley is a very good linebacker, but let's not overdo it. First, Mosley WAS on the field for Singletary's first long run, during which he took an initial bad angle, was bullied by a pulling Mitch Morse and got away with a late hit out of bounds (I don't imagine Jerry Hughes would have dodged that!). Also, Mosley had his fair share of fortuitous bounces during the game. His pick-6 was a physics-defying gift -- and on the play he deflected the ball away from John Brown in the end zone, the ball somewhat miraculously hit his outstretched left hand (he never looked back on that play). So sure, Mosley played well, but it's a game of inches. Tre Edmunds had at least as good a game, but the talking heads ignore anybody whose name doesn't appear on the score sheet ...

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19 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

*  Or how about on 3rd & long Allen makes a nice run to put the Bills in FG range at the Jet's 24 only to see the yards lost on a ticky tacky dead ball taunting penalty against a Bill's O-lineman.

While at the same time ignoring Mosley wagging his finger at Allen while getting up from the tackle. 

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1 hour ago, BigPappy said:

The comparison between them is accurate yes, but Gore is not "Thunder" anymore. He's just old.If they want a "ground & pound" type they can go out and get someone much younger I am sure. He didn't look very good to me yesterday.

He’s not “just old”.  He looked just like Shady did all of last season.  He’d get the ball and get hit because the line couldn’t open a hole for him.  Singletary on the other hand, had gaping holes.

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3 minutes ago, RememberTheRockpile said:

While at the same time ignoring Mosley wagging his finger at Allen while getting up from the tackle. 

 

Great point Rockpile.  I remember saying to my son that there should have been TWO dead ball taunting fouls on that play.  Overall the refs did a nice job but that miss cost the Bills 3 points.

 

 

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  I chalked up the first half to not having run as a unit together in regular season game speed previously.  Mosely was very good but the flukey turnovers were lack of experience with their teammates up to now.  I expect a smoother 1st quarter for the offense in the Giants game.

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19 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Don't confuse anemic with error prone. The Bills offense was plenty potent first half. But those turnovers erased the effort.

 

I don't understand what you are getting at?  Wait until you see All-22. 

 

There has to be a question of game plan design when you're playing against one of the best front 7s in the league with a very weak secondary, and Robert Foster is in for 14 plays, while DiMarco is in for a majority.  And then you split out #42 wide multiple times?   What's the most that play will gain you - 5 yards?

 

It's good to see Daboll waking up and start calling plays that exploited Jets' weaknesses in mid 3Q

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I will say one thing, well a few things , I do not like the jets, didn’t like their free agency signings or draft, do not like Darnold. But................ They put their money on the field yesterday and that free agent class kicked our a** for 3 quarters. 

Mosley holy crap was in on everything and looked amazing, crowder caught what 11-12 balls and nobody could cover him short? Bell was bell and looked good. As much as I hate them I do have to throw them some credit for really utilizing and working in their new weapons, with that said I think Mosley going out obviously changed the game, the tempo and flow. Pretty obvious daboll was scared to run with Mosley in and once he was out the run game came alive, we don’t win that game without singletary showing out. Not sure he shows out with Mosley still in 

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5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I don't understand what you are getting at?  Wait until you see All-22. 

 

There has to be a question of game plan design when you're playing against one of the best front 7s in the league with a very weak secondary, and Robert Foster is in for 14 plays, while DiMarco is in for a majority.  And then you split out #42 wide multiple times?   What's the most that play will gain you - 5 yards?

 

It's good to see Daboll waking up and start calling plays that exploited Jets' weaknesses in mid 3Q

 

I quoted your name on a post where someone showed stats by half. I was hoping you'd look at it. The Bills had plenty of offense in the first half. You just forget because it all got wiped out by an INT or fumble.

 

Here it is. Read that drive chart: 

 

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Man some of you guys giving Mosley a little too much credit, good player who had the ball tipped right into his hands on that TD.

 

He got hurt but their D wore down late.  Some of you acting like he was changing the game in the first half when he was playing.  We fed them the ball 4 TIMES!!!  That was the difference, we stopped putting the ball on the ground and throwing picks.  

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It’s the jets fault for piling their focus onto a couple of big time contracts and failing to address decent depth. Don’t get me wrong I was impressed with mosely. But can’t go from A to D if he goes down. Need to go from A to B.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Stranded in Boston said:

Mosley is a very good linebacker, but let's not overdo it. First, Mosley WAS on the field for Singletary's first long run, during which he took an initial bad angle, was bullied by a pulling Mitch Morse and got away with a late hit out of bounds (I don't imagine Jerry Hughes would have dodged that!). Also, Mosley had his fair share of fortuitous bounces during the game. His pick-6 was a physics-defying gift -- and on the play he deflected the ball away from John Brown in the end zone, the ball somewhat miraculously hit his outstretched left hand (he never looked back on that play). So sure, Mosley played well, but it's a game of inches. Tre Edmunds had at least as good a game, but the talking heads ignore anybody whose name doesn't appear on the score sheet ...

 

Was going to say the same thing re the first Singletary run. Mosley is good— but don’t buy into the Rich Gannon per-game talking point narrative. 

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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I quoted your name on a post where someone showed stats by half. I was hoping you'd look at it. The Bills had plenty of offense in the first half. You just forget because it all got wiped out by an INT or fumble.

 

That's a complete misdirection.  Once the field got shorter, Bills' O was forced into mistakes.   Bills didn't hit the red zone until the fourth quarter.  They didn't challenge Jets' secondary until late in 3Q.  I don't know if it was by Daboll's design or not, but the Bills got lucky in this game and Daboll's designs in the first half should be scrutinized.   You don't see McDaniels splitting Develin out wide for more than a play or two.   I counted 6+ plays where DiMarco was the wideout.  That's crazy against a weak secondary

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1 hour ago, 32ABBA said:

 

Allen was having excellent drives the whole game, but they made some gaffes. They also started giving the ball to Singletary. 

Mosley had a good game, but it's getting overplayed. 

Mosley was basically single handedly shutting us down. "Good" is what Edmunds did. He probably snuffs out some of those runs if he is in. If he can't stay healthy they are basically done for the season. 

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52 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

5% losing Mosley and 95% the Bills, including Dabold, executing properly on offense.

 

Can't folks just accept a thrilling Bills comeback win on the road against a Division rival without looking for excuses as to why they won? 

 

Well here's some excuses as to why the Bills didn't blow the Jets out in the FIRST HALF yesterday:

 

*  A lot of people are criticizing Dabold's pass happy opening but it worked.  The Bills moved the ball right down the field.  A blown block by the tackle and Allen not protecting the ball cost the Bills at least 3 & maybe 7 points.

 

*  A lot of people claim the Bills lucked out because the Jets missed an extra point & FG!  So what!  The Jets ONLY TD of the 1st half was a fluke play that 99/100 times would have been either a 5 yard gain or an incomplete pass. 

 

*  Did anyone consider that the 4th down "fumble" between Allen/Morse was a DIRECT result of Morse not being involved in any contact throughout the preseason?  This was his FIRST game of contact football this season.  Did you notice how much better Morse played in the 2nd half?  I suspect that the 1st half was a problem, including that fluky fumble, because Morse needed to adjust to the speed & physicality of the game.  Going forward the Bills will convert that 4th & one 9 times out of 10.

 

*  Or how about on 3rd & long Allen makes a nice run to put the Bills in FG range at the Jet's 24 only to see the yards lost on a ticky tacky dead ball taunting penalty against a Bill's O-lineman.

 

*  By my count if the breaks/fluke plays had evened out the Bills should have been up 13 - 3 at half!

 

*  The narrative that the Bills were lucky to win; that the offense and especially Allen were terrible in the 1st half just doesn't pass the smell test.  The Bills had multiple good drives in the 1st half that ended without points because of some fluky stuff that happens in week 1.  Throw in a 1/100 fluke pick 6 and you have a 1st half like we saw.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also live in Cincinnati, and I would argue that everyone here is happier with their 1 point loss in Seattle than we are with our 1 point win. That BBFS is just a really strong negative force. I just went over to Jungle Noise and they are marking week 3 as a surefire win. If we had lost yesterday by a point, we would all be predicting 0-16.

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1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

I also live in Cincinnati, and I would argue that everyone here is happier with their 1 point loss in Seattle than we are with our 1 point win. That BBFS is just a really strong negative force. I just went over to Jungle Noise and they are marking week 3 as a surefire win. If we had lost yesterday by a point, we would all be predicting 0-16.

Zac Taylor has experience playing Seattle coming from that division. I was still surprised by their performance but think that helped them. Note: Sam Hubbard is a beast but we knew that!!!

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