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A Few Thoughts About the Jets Game, in no particular order

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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

On the defense:

 

The D is legit and I thought Leslie Frazier who gets a lot of at times undue criticism on these boards had a great game plan. Ed Oliver showed some flashes but needs to improve his consistency. Shaq Lawson played an outstanding game and the improvement we saw from Tremaine Edmunds in the pre-season carried through to the regular season. His lane discipline and fundamentals were much improved on his standard of play in 2018. 

The only game plan on Defense that misfired was putting Milano on Bell.   He literally creamed him.   IT was stupid of the Jets to not continue doing the same as what worked in that TD run

 

But the defense was awesome in allowing only 8 points in the whole game

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5 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

3 – Offensive Line – I don’t even know what to say about these guys, but I think it’s relevant to talk about them since it was such a focus of the offseason.  The first Allen fumble was completely on Dawkins as he got absolutely smoked, leading to a clean, blindside hit on Allen.  Morse botched the snap on 4th and 2, even though Williams was on him immediately.  Other than that, Allen had a relatively clean pocket.  Now, there’s two points of context here.  The Jets front 4 seemed more concerned with not letting Allen scramble than they did rushing him.  Plus, our offensive scheme was too transparent.  We were either in power run formation or spread out.  There wasn’t a healthy mix of pass and rush to really get them into an overall rhythm.  They did have some strong pull plays in the last quarter to open some holes for Singletary.  Overall, I’d say there was an improvement from this unit, but again, bad game to judge them off of.  

 

*Side Note – Ty finished the game at RT and I completely missed how that happened.  Anyone?  (McD said in the post game that they rotated him in every 3rd series and that was the plan.  Interesting)

 

 

 

Unsung hero of the game was Mitch Morse.  We usually have all kinds of problems with the Jets front 7.  Now they have their new toy Williams and outside of the play he blew up on 4th down.......he was silent as was most of their D-line.  Oline overall was great in pass pro.  Morse especially.  The guy was pulling and kicking out leading plays the announcers made notice of this to.

 

In fact the only pass I saw Morse get beat on.....watch the game winning TD again.  Not sure who it was but he gets in to disrupt Josh just a bit but Allen just steps up and hits Brown for the TD.

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One more on Milano and Edmunds.  Bell caught six passes all day, for 32 yards and a 5.3 average per catch.  That is a shutdown.  I can't believe a single one of us would not have said "okay, great" if that stat line was offered before the game.  And rushing: 17 for 61, 3.5 per carry.  Didn't he go for like 250 yards last time he played us?  Nuff said for me!

Looked it up.  Compare Bell vs. Rex's defense in 2016 - 298 freaking yards!

 

Bell turned in a historic performance against the Buffalo Bills on Sunday, carrying the Steelers to a 27-20 victory. He rushed for 236 yards, which is the most in franchise history. The previous high was 223 by Willie Parker.

 

Additionally, that’s the highest total ever allowed by the Bills. Ricky Williams rushed for 228 against Buffalo in 2002.

The shifty back also added 62 yards receiving, giving him 298 from scrimmage for the game. Bell scored all three of Pittsburgh's touchdowns.

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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

On playcalling:

 

I actually said in the week I thought that the right approach early was to come out throwing, use the short passing game and Beasley and co against their linebackers in coverage. And it worked - the first drive we had them on their heels. 

 

However, after the fumble ended the first drive disappointingly and then starting the second drive backed up with a young QB I thought they should have run it a couple of times. Run, run, pass, punt would have been absolutely fine in that scenario. 

 

But after that it was like they wanted to prove they were right and the first half was totally lopsided. I don't know what it is with these NFL playcallers but for Nagy's second half on Thursday see Daboll's first half today. It makes it harder than necessary on young guys like Trubisky and Allen who are still finding their way. 

 

On Allen: 

 

I thought Josh was decisive and on point in that first drive with some on the money throws to Beasley and Brown. But after that first mistake and being asked to stay throwing I thought he was rattled and the rest of the first half his accuracy was spotty and more worryingly his body language was awful. The second pick was totally on him he just didn't see the guy coming. But you have to give the guy a huge amount of credit for the way he responded in the final quartet and a half and made the plays the Bills needed him to make. There is a lot of improvement still needed but it feels better to need that at 1-0. 

 

On the defense:

 

The D is legit and I thought Leslie Frazier who gets a lot of at times undue criticism on these boards had a great game plan. Ed Oliver showed some flashes but needs to improve his consistency. Shaq Lawson played an outstanding game and the improvement we saw from Tremaine Edmunds in the pre-season carried through to the regular season. His lane discipline and fundamentals were much improved on his standard of play in 2018. 

On playcalling:

 

I dont think it was proving "they were right" after that first drive ended with a fumble.  Allen threw a bit low and it was an unlucky bounce.  They just moved the ball the entire field, why change what worked?

 

On Allen:

Sorry. I didn't see the bad body language and I was actually making a close effort to watch his reaction...maybe my definition of bad body language vs frustration is different than yours.  Absolutley right that it took a ton of poise to turn the unfortunate first half into a win.  And agree. he still tends to be a gunslinger at times. but his decision making looked way better than last year.

 

Defense:

Agree with your points, great gameplan and mostly a great execution.  I'm a bit concerned about the nickle cb spot, especially if Taron misses significant time. I honestly can't say if Captain Munnerlyn is a possible solution, rumored to potentially re-sign but not sure he has the quicks left.  I like Siran tenacity but his ball skills seem to be a bit behind his overall athleticism.

 

And echoing your point about Tremaine, wow what a difference this season.  Great game and poise, noticed a couple guys recognized the same in postgame interviews. 

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You started writing that BEFORE the Brown TD? Weren't you watching the game? Writing during the commercial breaks?

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6 minutes ago, MJS said:

You started writing that BEFORE the Brown TD? Weren't you watching the game? Writing during the commercial breaks?

 

Yeah, I was being lulled to sleep and got caught up in typical BBFS waiting for us to mess up again.  

 

I had 7 of the thoughts in there and expanded as things happened 

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Virgil, that’s a mighty strange write up for a mighty strange game. You’re kind of all over the place on this one dude. The Bills Defense was nothing short of amazing today. Sure Bell played well but he’s supposed to. The Bills offense turned in a solid three quarters only falling asleep in the second. What messed up everyone’s perception of the Opener were the turnovers! Josh really needs to clean it up. 

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Virgil -

 

I haven't finished reading, and I don't know if anyone responded.  Ford was in for a series or two, then Ty came in.  Ford came back, still in the first half.   Second half I think it was all Ty.  Ford was standing on the sideline. 

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3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Virgil -

 

I haven't finished reading, and I don't know if anyone responded.  Ford was in for a series or two, then Ty came in.  Ford came back, still in the first half.   Second half I think it was all Ty.  Ford was standing on the sideline. 

McD said the plan was always to play Ford two series and then Ty one, and then keep doing it. That didn't change to the second half at some point. 

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5 hours ago, stony said:

I didn’t think Daboll called a bad game. Some bad luck for sure early on. Tough to judge him on a 4-to first half. 

I think McD is taking pages out of Belichick's book, left and right.   Belichick has games like that.  If he thinks you can't stop the pass, he keeps passing.  I think that's what we saw today.  Next week will be different, because the Giants are different.  

4 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

 

What?  Bell often slipped through and we missed the first tackle, but that is par for the course with him.  They did an excellent job getting the second and third guy there

That's what I thought.   I'd forgotten how good Bell is.   He is just really, really tough to bring down.   The Bills' job was not to let Bell beat them, because there was very little chance anyone else was going to beat them.  The Bills limited Bell, and that's how they won. 

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5 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I think that the first 15-20 plays being passes is a little over-played. It looked to me that Josh was given a binary choice on half of them. If the Jets line up one way it’s a run; if they line up another it’s a pass. And the Jets kept doing what they were doing. 

 

Agreed - they kept the same personnel and lined up tight and they would shift to spread because the Jets kept base personnel in and passing gave the Bills the numbers advantage.

 

They way outgained the Jets and moved the Ball with ease when they had them spread out.  They then hurt themselves with missed blocks leading to a fumble.  A tipped pass leading to a pick 6.  Another tipped pass getting picked.  

 

I preferred to see the offense they broke out this game early than the more run oriented gameplans of the last few years.

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54 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

On playcalling:

 

I dont think it was proving "they were right" after that first drive ended with a fumble.  Allen threw a bit low and it was an unlucky bounce.  They just moved the ball the entire field, why change what worked?

 

 

I think because you need to settle your young QB back down. It should have happened before the pick. That series backed up was one where a 3 and out and a punt is not a bad outcome. That is the definition of situational football. I didn't want them to abandon the game plan. I just wanted them to take the time to calm Josh down and take the game out of his hands for a series. 

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Lose the turnover battle by 3 and still win the game?

Wonder if we’ve done that in any other game in the last 20 years.

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13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think because you need to settle your young QB back down. It should have happened before the pick. That series backed up was one where a 3 and out and a punt is not a bad outcome. That is the definition of situational football. I didn't want them to abandon the game plan. I just wanted them to take the time to calm Josh down and take the game out of his hands for a series. 

I don't think "calm Josh down" is the way they're coaching him.   They're challenging him to play the position as the game plan calls for it.   The game plan doesn't take into account the fact that he's in his second season.   The game plan called for throwing the ball against the Jets, so they kept throwing.   

 

Now, I hear what you're saying, and it makes sense, but I really don't think the Bills' coaches are coaching Allen that way.  They're expecting Allen to do everything right now, and they're willing to live with the consequences.  

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1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't think "calm Josh down" is the way they're coaching him.   They're challenging him to play the position as the game plan calls for it.   The game plan doesn't take into account the fact that he's in his second season.   The game plan called for throwing the ball against the Jets, so they kept throwing.   

 

Now, I hear what you're saying, and it makes sense, but I really don't think the Bills' coaches are coaching Allen that way.  They're expecting Allen to do everything right now, and they're willing to live with the consequences.  

 

If that is true than McDermott needs to stop saying "situational football" every time a microphone is thrust in his face. 

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If that is true than McDermott needs to stop saying "situational football" every time a microphone is thrust in his face. 

As I said, I hear what you're saying.   Wrong place on the field to be passing.   But it also may be, as seemed to be the case, that they didn't think they could move the ball running, and they definitely thought they could move it passing.   So McD may not agree with you that the situation called for a conservative approach.  

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6 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

What happens when you try running out the clock vs NE or KC when you're up ONLY 1 POINT?  I think, at least hope, you know the answer.

We weren’t playing them. It’s game planning. I’m not attempting to be argumentative, but game planning is based on the opposition. The Jets were hardly proving to be an offensive juggernaut. This was the right strategy at the right time. Playing to let Brady or Mahomes have time on the clock would have elicited a completely different reaction from myself and every rational poster here.

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13 hours ago, Virgil said:

1-0 Baby!  Go Bills!!!! 

 

Great write-up, Virgil!

Thanks a lot for your effort.

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15 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

I can't disagree with that.  I just know that Daboll being of the NE lineage will do what he thinks will work.  He must have thought that would work.  If he wasn't driving up and down the field both times we turned the ball over I would have a larger problem with his playcalling but we weren't having a problem moving the ball.  We were having a problem with turnovers.

 

 

Excellent post, it is not Dabol's fault they kept shooting themselves in the foot.  Maybe McDermott finally realizes he needs to run a real NFL offense to win in this league instead of going for the 3 yards & a cloud of dust crap that we have seen for over the years.  I thought Allen looked way more comfortable in the pocket then he did last it year.  it was encouraging.  

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15 hours ago, Virgil said:

.  Shockingly, Allen should’ve had more interceptions than the stat line told as a penalty brought back a pass that should never been thrown. 

Am I the only one who thinks that Allen SAW the penalty.  It was right where he was looking and the way he acted right after the play (pointing to the flag) makes me think it was one of those "I've got a penalty for a first down, might as well chuck it up and see what happens."  Now...in fairness, I think the interception off the ball tipped at the line was TOTALLY his fault.  It wasn't one of those where someone in the middle of the line reaches up and tips the ball.  Allen was looking right at the rusher and tried to throw it through him.

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1 hour ago, fergie's ire said:

Am I the only one who thinks that Allen SAW the penalty.  It was right where he was looking and the way he acted right after the play (pointing to the flag) makes me think it was one of those "I've got a penalty for a first down, might as well chuck it up and see what happens."  Now...in fairness, I think the interception off the ball tipped at the line was TOTALLY his fault.  It wasn't one of those where someone in the middle of the line reaches up and tips the ball.  Allen was looking right at the rusher and tried to throw it through him.

 

Doubtful.  QB’s typically only do that on Offside.  

 

The DB baited Allen by staying a step behind the receiver.  The minute Allen threw it, he jumped.  

 

Also, I think the flag was throw as Allen released.  Could be wrong 

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13 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Unsung hero of the game was Mitch Morse.  We usually have all kinds of problems with the Jets front 7.  Now they have their new toy Williams and outside of the play he blew up on 4th down.......he was silent as was most of their D-line.  Oline overall was great in pass pro.  Morse especially.  The guy was pulling and kicking out leading plays the announcers made notice of this to.

 

In fact the only pass I saw Morse get beat on.....watch the game winning TD again.  Not sure who it was but he gets in to disrupt Josh just a bit but Allen just steps up and hits Brown for the TD.

 

I agree and thought Morse was really good. Especially for a guy who hasn't played in awhile. A few times guys got beat, but the protection schemes and calls were on point. I also really liked the edge Feliciano plays with. He's going to get penalties here and there and he seems limited athletically, but that boy plays nasty. He was just destroying McClendon and Williams on run plays most of the day. I was really impressed. 

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