Captain Murica Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Friggin stupid auto draft on ESPN picked AB for me in round 1... Couldn't get logged in to my account in time, but when I hopped on & saw I had been given AB, I knew I was screwed lol Karma for picking the jets this week ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Those are default clauses, not “no guaanteed money” Id normally agree but some of those stretch far enough that you may call them performance bonuses and not simply default language. It doesn’t take egregious behavior to void the money if a missed practice can void everything. Many contracts have no voiding language, it’s not uncommon to see arrest/suspension as the threshold though. To see any absences void it is to my knowledge incredibly rare. Given browns mindset that’s perilously close to non guaranteed and I think most agents would tell their clients such. the guaranteed signing bonus being split across 2 years based on 85% participation is not up front cash in hand, it’s a work out bonus, for instance, to cover some of the mischaracterizations of the deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Don't need to. I clearly remember saying "the Bills dodged a bullet" when his feet problem popped up and you snarkily replied "yeah, who would want a gun with bullets." Well that’s a true proposition. his greatness can’t be denied. And I said the bills would take him because of his skill, obviously. But my input to that discussion was that if the Bills didn’t have an interest it was because he quit on the Steelers, not because he banged Poyers future wife, like you and a few goofballs were insisting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 SI article bottom line seems to be fines are explicitly spelled out and suspensions allowed by CBA, and Browns contract voids guarantees in case of missing team activities & suspensions https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/05/antonio-brown-suspension-mike-mayock-oakland-raiders They also point out what a long drawn out mess going there could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They still tried to trade for him. It absolutely blows my mind with all the talk about culture. And if he would have said ok, he’d be here doing the same crap. But yeah, bullet dodged. Some of you are obsessed with this guy. Again, the GM who some of you think is a god tried to get AB, so he thought the same thing. i never thought they had any real interest. one of those things were you have to pick up the phone regardless. couple minutes into the convo Beanes likely said " hold on, i have a call on another line i just have to pick up " and hung up. telling his boys wtf is that guy on ? 9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Well why did they trade for the idiot in the first plAce? It’s like they hooked up with a girl you know has a std and are surprised they got burned. It’s his own fault. Ticket sales obviously Is R. Brandon working there undercover ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 The Raiders have lost Brown already...he has to be gone. If it is true and Brown threatened Mayock, that would constitute zero tolerance. I wouldnt pay him a dime...throw his crap to the curb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 hours ago, nucci said: How do you know about his work ethic? There have been many reports that he missed team meetings, late for practice....skipping practice.... Not many 6th rd draft picks lead the league in anything. Starting out his career as a return specialist and a #3 receiver on offense and then becoming a #1 WR. Throw in the facts that since he came into the league, he has had over 100 catches in 4 of his 9 yrs as a pro. That is more production than anyone could expect from a 6th rounder. You don't get that production or consistency without working tirelessly at your craft. At some point he put his heart into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Well that’s a true proposition. his greatness can’t be denied. And I said the bills would take him because of his skill, obviously. But my input to that discussion was that if the Bills didn’t have an interest it was because he quit on the Steelers, not because he banged Poyers future wife, like you and a few goofballs were insisting Great memory there. I never used him banging Poyer's wife as a/the reason I didn't want him (remember me saying that if AB could play with Burfict...?). I only cared about him quitting on a premier franchise like the Steelers and what he would/could pull in Buffalo and his odd behavior. And I was dead-on. Edited September 6, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Great memory there. I never used him banging Poyer's wife as a/the reason I didn't want him (remember me saying that if AB could play with Burfict...?). I only cared about him quitting on a premier franchise like the Steelers and what he would/could pull in Buffalo and his odd behavior. And I was dead-on. So where do you remember me saying they should have traded for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: So where do you remember me saying they should have traded for him? Like I said, I remember the "who wants a gun with bullets." Then there were the comments about him missing training camp would mean nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Like I said, I remember the "who wants a gun with bullets." Then there were the comments about him missing training camp would mean nothing. All true at the time but beside the point. In comparison, the Bills have nobody at WR. But that being said, at the time I said Beane was absolutely interested and we all know now this is true. I never lamented the fact that the Bills didn’t get him. I was mocking the ridiculous notion that Beane wouldn’t be interested in having him in the roster. Pretty simple 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 THANK YOU for blocking the trade! ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I really hope the Raiders cut him and find a way to recoup some of that bonus. I just honestly don’t think he wants to play any more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...three possible scenarios IMO..... 1. Mayock wants to suspend him and Chuckie & Davis stay out of the way-Mayock earns chunk of respect as "in charge "GM" 2. Mayock wants to suspend him, but Chuckie & Davis overrule him as AB stays; Mayock stays on as GM-zero respect as a puppet GM 3. Mayock wants to suspend him, but Chuckie & Davis overrule him as AB stays; Mayock immediately resigns as GM-earns chunk of respect as principled ....just a thought..... 4. AB returns to Raiders complex and goes postal on Mayock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: I really hope the Raiders cut him and find a way to recoup some of that bonus. I just honestly don’t think he wants to play any more. I would tell him to to clean out his locker and seek professional help. Edited September 6, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: You gotta wonder whether Mayock mishandled this. You’re dealing with a real problem player and you finally got him back to a somewhat stable state to start the season. And now is the time you send him a letter with the chump change of fines? He had to have known this letter would possibly set off AB. Bad timing. Yes it was completely expected he would not be rational and say "Yes you are right. I need to be a professional if I want to be paid as professional." 4 hours ago, vanhalen26 said: Bills did OK with T.O. but I think AB is a bigger head case. TO was a complete professional when he played for Bills. 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Again, in no way am I excusing AB's crazy behavior, just saying when you trade valuable assets and invest big money into a personality like AB, then you better understand how to best manage it and work with him to minimize these types of incidents. Mayock I think took a risky approach and its not working out. Mandatory psychological consoling sessions as part of incentive clauses in contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Limeaid said: 4. AB returns to Raiders complex and goes postal on Mayock. Whilst avoiding being productive at work, YE OLE has taken time to ponder this fiasco at great length today. While this whole brouhaha has become the source of many punch lines today, there seems to be a scenario here where Antonio is genuinely suffering from a serious condition as displayed through his increasingly unusual behavior. Some have even speculated it may date back to the Burfict cheap shot a few years ago. It’s definitely been entertaining to see how this dumpster fire is going to end up for the Raiders, but hopefully Antonio gets the help he needs if he’s truly gone this far off the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 57 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: I really hope the Raiders cut him and find a way to recoup some of that bonus. I just honestly don’t think he wants to play any more. They haven’t paid him any money yet! It’s an unbelievable structure if pft got it right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I haven’t looked through pages and pages of this thread but saw this article on FB today. Apparently Brown is being even more of a crybaby. He unfriended the Raiders and Derek Carr on His social media accounts. https://brobible.com/sports/article/antonio-brown-derek-carr-oakland-raiders-instagram/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Captain Murica said: Karma for picking the jets this week ? ? So it was pre-karma!? I hadn't even picked the Jets yet at that point lol I hope the Bills thrash them, but considering the Jets-Slayer Matt Barkley is on the bench, I think the Bills are going to lose a close one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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