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6 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Rush Limbaugh said in regards to Obama's statement that he "wanted to fundamentally change America" that he hoped Obama fails. Obama's goals were to turn us into a socialistic state and Limbaugh had every right to object to that. Stating simply that Rush wanted Obama to fail is not only disingenuous but flat out twisting his words.

 

"These people were probably fine economically" before the economy improved? I see, the dramatic reduction in unemployment and the subsequent rise in wages are no big deal, eh? Why don't you just come right out and say: "let them eat cake"? 

Correct and I never said otherwise.   Rush was referring to his bigger government policy proposals from the mortgage industry to health care. 

 

Liberals think their policies are best for the country in the long term and conservatives think the same.  There's nothing wrong with that if you think the greater good means short term pain.  Conservatives will tell you his policies did fail while liberals will tell you it brought us out of the worst concession since the depression and Trump is seeping the rewards.  They'll also tell you that the cut in regulations and tax cuts are just paving the way for another great crash.  It's a tireless debate that will never be resolved because of the ebbs and flows of the economy throughout history.

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48 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Correct and I never said otherwise.   Rush was referring to his bigger government policy proposals from the mortgage industry to health care. 

 

Liberals think their policies are best for the country in the long term and conservatives think the same.  There's nothing wrong with that if you think the greater good means short term pain.  Conservatives will tell you his policies did fail while liberals will tell you it brought us out of the worst concession since the depression and Trump is seeping the rewards.  They'll also tell you that the cut in regulations and tax cuts are just paving the way for another great crash.  It's a tireless debate that will never be resolved because of the ebbs and flows of the economy throughout history.

 

I'm certain you meant recession there John. But I rather like it as is as it reminds me of the $1,5000,000,000. + that he conceded to the Mullahs in Iran. 

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22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Correct and I never said otherwise.   Rush was referring to his bigger government policy proposals from the mortgage industry to health care. 

 

Liberals think their policies are best for the country in the long term and conservatives think the same.  There's nothing wrong with that if you think the greater good means short term pain.  Conservatives will tell you his policies did fail while liberals will tell you it brought us out of the worst concession since the depression and Trump is seeping the rewards.  They'll also tell you that the cut in regulations and tax cuts are just paving the way for another great crash.  It's a tireless debate that will never be resolved because of the ebbs and flows of the economy throughout history.

Just because liberals think that their policies are good for the country does not put them on a equal plain with conservative thought. The proof is in the pudding and over long periods of time liberalism (ie. socialism and communism) have always failed while conservative democratic societies have been the only societies that have succeeded. Compare California and their over regulated and over taxed mess with Texas or Florida, states with less taxes and even less unnecessary regulations. Trump is seeing the rewards of his policies, not Obama's weakest recovery from a recession in history. Obama's policies were right out of the Politburo and designed to have the government control the economy. A pretty good example of free market vs. government controlled economy is the recent push for a $15 minimum wage. When forced upon businesses several years ago people lost their jobs, but Trumps economy has been so good that businesses are in competition with each other and are raising wages in order to obtain workers. 

 

There will always be a little ebb and flow in the economy and recessions will happen even in free markets. There are things that are out of the market's control. The answer isn't to switch from a market economy to a government controlled economy but to let the market work itself out. 

4 minutes ago, Nanker said:

 

I'm certain you meant recession there John. But I rather like it as is as it reminds me of the $1,5000,000,000. + that he conceded to the Mullahs in Iran. 

I noticed that too but thought he must have been referring to Obama's recession busting bake sales. 

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5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Just because liberals think that their policies are good for the country does not put them on a equal plain with conservative thought. The proof is in the pudding and over long periods of time liberalism (ie. socialism and communism) have always failed while conservative democratic societies have been the only societies that have succeeded.

 

The plain truth is that they are on an equal plane. The Weimar Republic failed and Hitler took it over. Uganda collapsed into the arms of Idi Amin. Haiti was taken over by dictators in the Duvaliers. We subverted the democratically led Iran under Mossadegh in the 50s. To say that conservative democracies survive is just plain wrong, and the reason why universities tend to be more liberal... conservatives tend to create their own facts.

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3 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

The plain truth is that they are on an equal plane. The Weimar Republic failed and Hitler took it over. Uganda collapsed into the arms of Idi Amin. Haiti was taken over by dictators in the Duvaliers. We subverted the democratically led Iran under Mossadegh in the 50s. To say that conservative democracies survive is just plain wrong, and the reason why universities tend to be more liberal... conservatives tend to create their own facts.

 

Neither side has a monopoly on propaganda/alternate facts. 

 

That's why thinking in terms of right v left / conservative v liberal is foolish, and only assures continued ignorance. 

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9 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

The plain truth is that they are on an equal plane. The Weimar Republic failed and Hitler took it over. Uganda collapsed into the arms of Idi Amin. Haiti was taken over by dictators in the Duvaliers. We subverted the democratically led Iran under Mossadegh in the 50s. To say that conservative democracies survive is just plain wrong, and the reason why universities tend to be more liberal... conservatives tend to create their own facts.

Comparing the government and economy of pre-Amin Uganda to that of the US is an example of academic objectivity?  Shirley.

 

Marx's observations of human nature and how it should impact the structure of an economy were incorrect and the combination of the naive belief in them and viscous exploitation of them have cost millions of lives.  Liberal universities continue to perpetuate this naïveté and it continues to be harmful.

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4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Comparing the government and economy of pre-Amin Uganda to that of the US is an example of academic objectivity?  Shirley.

 

Marx's observations of human nature and how it should impact the structure of an economy were incorrect and the combination of the naive belief in them and viscous exploitation of them have cost millions of lives.  Liberal universities continue to perpetuate this naïveté and it continues to be harmful.

It's certainly a sticky situation and ripe for gooey and/or gummy solutions. 

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13 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

The plain truth is that they are on an equal plane. The Weimar Republic failed and Hitler took it over. Uganda collapsed into the arms of Idi Amin. Haiti was taken over by dictators in the Duvaliers. We subverted the democratically led Iran under Mossadegh in the 50s. To say that conservative democracies survive is just plain wrong, and the reason why universities tend to be more liberal... conservatives tend to create their own facts.

Ah, you've located all the vacuums in order to try to attempt to prove a point. Name one long-term successful communist country.

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There Is Something Fundamentally Wrong With Democrats

by Derek Hunter

 

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It’s odd how the political left cheers America’s shortcomings and mourns its victories. The United States killed the top terrorist on the planet Thursday, and Democrats were…upset. Perhaps “upset” is too vague, they were a combination of angry and scared. They were angry that President Trump ordered an air strike on Qassem Soleimani, a man responsible for the deaths of more than 600 American soldiers and thousands more wounded. They tried to pretend they were glad he was dead, that he deserved to die, but their quick condemnation of the action that took him out exposed what they were really thinking.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, B-Man said:

There Is Something Fundamentally Wrong With Democrats

by Derek Hunter

 

Original Article

 

It’s odd how the political left cheers America’s shortcomings and mourns its victories. The United States killed the top terrorist on the planet Thursday, and Democrats were…upset. Perhaps “upset” is too vague, they were a combination of angry and scared. They were angry that President Trump ordered an air strike on Qassem Soleimani, a man responsible for the deaths of more than 600 American soldiers and thousands more wounded. They tried to pretend they were glad he was dead, that he deserved to die, but their quick condemnation of the action that took him out exposed what they were really thinking.

 

 

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Obama got his deal with Iran (ensuring they wouldn’t develop a nuke until enough time had passed that he wouldn’t get the blame when they did), a deal that included the lifting of sanctions against Soleimani personally, making his life infinitely better while he continued to mastermind the murder of more Americans and innocent people in the region. 

It was a deal with the devil for a foreign policy legacy and to shore up his shortcomings in the area and a failed stint as Secretary of State for his chosen successor. It was purely and nakedly political, and the people fretting now were cheering then. 

The death of Soleimani is a victory for the world, and Donald Trump did it. All Barack Obama did was give Iran enough cash to fund their terror chief’s actions. Donald Trump put him out of business.

All the pearl-clutching over the idea that this could lead to war with Iran is ridiculous. Leftists like to pretend Iran is a serious military power, but outside their weak neighbors, they are not. 

In 1990, and again in 2003, we were inundated with stories of how strong the Iraqi military was; how both impending fights were going too long and protracted, and could go either way. We rolled over them, both times. Politicians lost the aftermath, but the fighting was a decisive victory. That Iraqi military, particularly the 1990 version, had fought the Iranian military to a draw for nearly a decade. Being the strongest military in the region means little against the strongest military in the history of the planet. 

We should be weary of pushing regime change in Iran for the simple reason that the politicians here would screw it up the way they always have, but have no doubt that our military could wipe the sand with the Iranian military, if they had to. Iran knows this. 

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