Truly New Period For Bills With Shady Gone

[YattaOkasan]

54 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

For some reason the media liked McCoy. IMHO he was overrated and his dancing caused as much trouble in an inconsistent offence as it helped. A predictable 3 yards and a cloud of dust is more helpful some times than 5 carries a game losing 4 or 5 yards each than one 22 yard run no matter how spectacular. 

 

Of course you wouldn’t t

because the second situation would only give you 2 to -3 yards rushing total. 

 

More relevant question would you take 5 carries losing 4 or 5 and then a 40 yard run?  

 

That would be the 3 yards per carry from above. 

 

Either way shady was good and a huge reason we broke the drought. In the clubhouse he seemed like a great competitor and off the field he did silly things like spoil the avengers. 

[corta765]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Thanks for giving credence to the mentally challenged cretins hovering here like ghouls. Assuredly, we don’t have household names at WR, Edge or TE yet, and while Allen has displayed a lot of WOW PLAY in just 9 games, he has some detractors. But the alarming dismissiveness of so many here that the Bills ‘have zero star power’ and ‘can’t lure top end players’ is absurd in any universe other than gamers. Every starter on Defense sans the CB opposite Tre White and perhaps Shaq would be a coveted starter on 30 other teams. Add Dawkins, Hauschka, Allen and Morse in the mix. How long would Reid Ferguson be unemployed if he hit the streets today? While just rookies, Ford, Oliver & Singletary we’re highly coveted and are 1st year starters with Devin already pushing Shady McCoy out the door. Frazier is a long time, highly respected DC, Daboll has a growing respect Leaguewide and I haven’t seen or heard one discouraging word about Sean & Brandon -except from our ‘special needs’ fans here. Only these mental midgets -who include a few primadonna forced FA’s and a few lame, headline seeking “sports writers” are making these unsubstantiated claims. The overwhelming majority of FA’s care about only 2 things; $$ and a good fit. The Bills offer this in spades.

Again, thanks! -a lot..?

 

My point is not that the Bills don’t have star power it’s that because it’s Buffalo and because there has been such a lack of success it’s overlooked in spades. I agree we have a lot of great players on defense and Allen possibly could be a stud at QB. But the NFL is driven by star players who typically are QB WR TE RB and with the release of McCoy Buffalo just removed the last that they had of that. As I said it was the right move to release him, but if the Bills don’t make the post season they move right back to being an irrelevant franchise in the NFL. As a fan part of the fun of cheering for a team is having guys like a McCoy who bring some of that attention. With all due respect to Beasley and J. Brown look at what things were like for the 30 mins Antonio Browns crazy self was thought to be on the team. The goal is always to win and Super bowl first, but it’s nice to also have guys like a McCoy ODB Bell etc who actually have some name brand too.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, corta765 said:

McCoys release marks the last gasp of the big name players Doug Whaley has a role in bringing in to try and build the team. Going back to Mario Williams the Bills for a period brought in through mostly free agency a bunch of players who were name brand established players to try and build with including McCoy, Harvin, Incognito, former coach Rex Ryan, and in the draft the hype of Sammy Watkins who at the time of his drafting was a massive name.

 

Unfortunately most of these moves came at too high of a price with very little result and the franchise certainly seems to be in a stronger healthier place now then at any point back then. But McCoy was a really good player for his time here minus his last season where he struggled a bit.

 

Fair or not McCoys name helped bring the Bills relevance to a team that needs it. As a fan the one part that is hard being a Bills fan is unless we are consistently winning your pushed to the back of the pack due to the market we’re in. Robert Woods and Gilmore were just as good of players here as they are in their current spots, but only when the market changes to the bigger cities do they get the credit due to the Bills lack of success. Tre White is as good of a CB as Xavier Howard yet because he plays in Buffalo not Miami the narrative is different.

 

McCoys departure effectively removes the last big name that brings relevancy to the franchise for right now. Winning is the end all cure for everything and if the Bills win 10 games, some of the names like Oliver White Milano Edmunds and Allen will bring that recognition back.

 

As a fan I understand McCoy leaving and think it was a good move for the Bills future. I will miss though the attention he did bring across the league for a franchise that regularly is forgotten about.

 

 

 

 

There is no new period.........McCoy hasn't been an above average producing player when he touches the ball the past two seasons.

 

This is still just the second decade of mediocrity of the 2000's until the team actually becomes a contender.

 

Case in point:  the last 3 regimes have all been 15-17 after two seasons.

 

Hopefully this year they change their mediocre ways but the McCoy move doesn't represent anything pivotal, IMO.

[blacklabel]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

wanna bet?????????  

 

If I change my name as some have asked .....  I'm conflicted...  

 

Shady's Shade or Shady's Ghost?  

Or do I go retro with Slim Shady?

 

 

My name wasn't really just based on McCoy ....    "of doubtful honesty or legality" As in 

Am I being honest or busting balls?  

 

ShadedBillsEnthusiast? ShadeAndBillsAdmirer? 

 

Meh, I thought this would be funnier but it's before noon so I'm still braindead.

[corta765]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

Having LeSean McCoy on our roster didn't make us more respectable.  

Before his release, all I heard were "old" jokes about our backfield and how Shady's best days were behind him.  

 

Boasting a top player does not make your franchise more respected around the league.  Do you think higher of the Jets because they threw a lot of money at Le'Veon Bell?  Are the Raiders less of a joke because they traded for Antonio Brown?  Even when McCoy was at his prime, everyone was still laughing and mocking us.

 

The only thing that brings Buffalo respect is WINNING.

That's why I don't care about ESPN's power rankings or how many primetime games we get.  That's why I don't care when we get shunned by veterans who don't want to come here, or when our good players get ignored during Pro-Bowl voting.  The Bills haven't done squat to earn respect in nearly 20 years.  If they can start busting teams in the mouth and winning games, you will be shocked how quickly the narrative turns around on this franchise.

 

 

I 100% think higher of the Jets for having Bell. They have a better RB then Buffalo who will help their young QB in spades. The Bills would’ve been better with Antonio Brown at WR. That’s not even debateable.

 

Back in the 90s when the Bills has great teams they were respected for having top players. Fast fact great players want to play with great players it’s why Lofton came to the Bills when they were good. Buffalo fair or not has an image problem enough just because of the location. Tim Graham’s article with The Athletic highlighted this. 

 

Cleveland just added ODB who makes that offense decidedly better. Buffalo has made the playoffs more recently, had better seasons in general, and has a lot of similar talent in places. Yet because Baker became a stud guys will play there. Who on this offense right now is a guy that a great offensive player would want to play with? Maybe Allen takes that next step and creates that buzz you want. Winning is easier when the pool of players is greater to help. 

 

McCoy was a guy who gave you a bit of that and was a recruiting tool for other good players out there.Things get tougher to

improve next year if another step forward is not made and some players don’t emerge on the national landscape.

[Bill from NYC]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Hopefully this year they change their mediocre ways but the McCoy move doesn't represent anything pivotal, IMO.

I fully agree. Just another case of a player who was "good" but didn't result in all that many wins, AND he is an old running back.  This imo is not a recipe for success or a constructive place to shell out the big bucks.

It was time for him to go and for the Bills to spend more wisely.

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I don't think McCoy changed people's perception of the Bills one inch. In fact I struggle to even call the four years McCoy played as here "an era." He was good but he didn't transcend the team. He never became the face of the Bills.

I do agree Promo and even if he did become our "face," how many games did we win?

 

There are younger, cheaper players who I would rather have on the Bills at this point in time.

[MJS]

Wish him all the best. All he ever did was come out and play hard. He is a narcissist, but you could tell he really wanted to win and was willing to do whatever he could to help the team.

 

Not sure where some posters are coming from when they say he was overrated. McCoy was a fantastic player and single handedly won us a few games. Trading him for Kiko will go down as one of the better trades in franchise history.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I think simply having Josh Allen brings attention.  Media darling Baker Mayfield will be compared to Allen, Darnold, Rosen and Lamont throughout the season.

 

I'd rather the Bills gain attention with wins than gaining attention the way Cleveland (attentionwhores at QB/WR), Oakland (nonstop drama) and Miami (dumpster fire) are.

Who's Lamont?? 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Who's Lamont?? 

 

Fred's son.

[Seasons1992]

2 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

My favorite part is that we can all stop saying “Shady” now.

 

May I remind you this place is RIFE with people living in the past?

[BITE ME]

You can have one veteran in your backfield taking snaps, but not too.  This is not an old mans game.  Gore is just as good as McCoy at this point and a lot cheaper.  The rookie is the future, and in the NFL the future is always now.

[MDH]

24 minutes ago, MJS said:

Wish him all the best. All he ever did was come out and play hard. He is a narcissist, but you could tell he really wanted to win and was willing to do whatever he could to help the team.

 

Not sure where some posters are coming from when they say he was overrated. McCoy was a fantastic player and single handedly won us a few games. Trading him for Kiko will go down as one of the better trades in franchise history.

 

He was a fantastic player for the Bills his first two years here, after that he had the two lowest years of YPC of his career. Last year you can say it was the OL, the year before the OL was fine.

 

Shady isn't an "overrated" player over the course of his career (he's a borderline HOFer), but he definitely lost a step a couple of years ago. The Bills would have been better off cutting him before last year but at least the rectified that mistake this offseason and didn't keep him for the duration of his contract.

[mjt328]

4 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I 100% think higher of the Jets for having Bell. They have a better RB then Buffalo who will help their young QB in spades. The Bills would’ve been better with Antonio Brown at WR. That’s not even debateable.

 

Back in the 90s when the Bills has great teams they were respected for having top players. Fast fact great players want to play with great players it’s why Lofton came to the Bills when they were good. Buffalo fair or not has an image problem enough just because of the location. Tim Graham’s article with The Athletic highlighted this. 

 

Cleveland just added ODB who makes that offense decidedly better. Buffalo has made the playoffs more recently, had better seasons in general, and has a lot of similar talent in places. Yet because Baker became a stud guys will play there. Who on this offense right now is a guy that a great offensive player would want to play with? Maybe Allen takes that next step and creates that buzz you want. Winning is easier when the pool of players is greater to help. 

 

McCoy was a guy who gave you a bit of that and was a recruiting tool for other good players out there.Things get tougher to

improve next year if another step forward is not made and some players don’t emerge on the national landscape.

 

The argument isn't whether good players like Bell/Brown can help make a team better.  They obviously can.

The argument was whether having them on the team makes them more respectable.  I would argue it does not.  The Jets and Raiders are still not a desirable destination for anyone, unless their only goal is to get paid.

 

Nobody thought higher of the Buffalo Bills because we had LeSean McCoy.  Nobody.

Experts in the media have been predicting us to win 5-6 (or even less) games every season for the last decade plus, with him or without him.

All the mess about Brown not wanting to come to Buffalo... that was with McCoy slated as our starting running back.

 

In terms of Cleveland, don't forget that Buffalo is approximately one season behind them in the rebuild process.  The Browns began tearing down the roster for draft picks before the 2017 draft.  The Bills began tearing down the roster for draft picks after the 2017 draft.  The Browns took a big step forward in 2018.  If things go as planned, the Bills will take a big step forward in 2019.  Odell Beckham was also traded to Cleveland.  So it's not accurate to say he WANTED to play for the Browns.  In fact, he was pretty upset about it.

 

Besides, the majority of our roster is EXTREMELY young and hasn't gotten a chance to develop yet.

Tre White and Matt Milano were (in my opinion) both having Pro-Bowl caliber seasons in 2018, and both were in their second years.  Let's see what happens to them with another season under their belts.  Not to mention Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds, Ed Oliver, Levi Wallace and a ton of other young guys who have shown promise.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

37 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Who's Lamont?? 

 

Tyrod Taylor 2.0 in Baltimore 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cole-beasley-hurt-see-lesean-140039126.html

 

Cole Beasley: It hurt to see LeSean McCoy get cut

The Bills had their reasons for releasing veteran running back LeSean McCoy, but that doesn’t mean it was a popular move in the locker room.

Bills wide receiver Cole Beasley said that during his short time in Buffalo, no one has been a better teammate than McCoy.

https://sports.yahoo.com/frank-gore-shocked-lesean-mccoy-094955654.html

 

Via Jay Skurski of the Buffalo News, the veteran Bills running back said he wasn’t expecting to hear that the team was releasing fellow veteran running back LeSean McCoy.

“I thought he was [joking],” Gore said. “Then 10 minutes later, I saw that he was serious.”

 

“I wasn’t expecting that,” Gore said. “The guy can still play. . . . I was looking forward to working with him. We’ve both been successful in this league. I was ready for us to go back and forth, to compete. So, it was tough, but I also know the business. 

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

4 hours ago, corta765 said:

McCoys release marks the last gasp of the big name players Doug Whaley has a role in bringing in to try and build the team. Going back to Mario Williams the Bills for a period brought in through mostly free agency a bunch of players who were name brand established players to try and build with including McCoy, Harvin, Incognito, former coach Rex Ryan, and in the draft the hype of Sammy Watkins who at the time of his drafting was a massive name.

 

Unfortunately most of these moves came at too high of a price with very little result and the franchise certainly seems to be in a stronger healthier place now then at any point back then. But McCoy was a really good player for his time here minus his last season where he struggled a bit.

 

Fair or not McCoys name helped bring the Bills relevance to a team that needs it. As a fan the one part that is hard being a Bills fan is unless we are consistently winning your pushed to the back of the pack due to the market we’re in. Robert Woods and Gilmore were just as good of players here as they are in their current spots, but only when the market changes to the bigger cities do they get the credit due to the Bills lack of success. Tre White is as good of a CB as Xavier Howard yet because he plays in Buffalo not Miami the narrative is different.

 

McCoys departure effectively removes the last big name that brings relevancy to the franchise for right now. Winning is the end all cure for everything and if the Bills win 10 games, some of the names like Oliver White Milano Edmunds and Allen will bring that recognition back.

 

As a fan I understand McCoy leaving and think it was a good move for the Bills future. I will miss though the attention he did bring across the league for a franchise that regularly is forgotten about.

 

I think Russ Brandon had a lot to do with the big name/poor performance era.  It was always more about selling season tickets than winning games.  If you look at the timing of some of those acquisitions, it is just when the team looks hopeless that a big name is added.  Mario is the perfect example.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

wanna bet?????????  

 

If I change my name as some have asked .....  I'm conflicted...  

 

Shady's Shade or Shady's Ghost?  

Or do I go retro with Slim Shady?

 

 

My name wasn't really just based on McCoy ....    "of doubtful honesty or legality" As in 

Am I being honest or busting balls?  

There is some precedent here--refer back to @BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P, who memorably went with "PetermanThrew5Picks" before switching to a much more durable moniker, upon dare/request if the Bills beat Minnie last year, which most people thought was a safe pick to bet against Buffalo on... . You should start a poll between your final choices, my vote is "Shady'sBackBackAgain" since you're channeling your inner Eminem?  

1 hour ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

May I remind you this place is RIFE with people living in the past?

My well-pixelated cutting edge avatar choice pic takes great offense to this, good sir!

[Seasons1992]

22 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

My well-pixelated cutting edge avatar choice pic takes great offense to this, good sir!

 

Yeah but I still own and wear a 1992 authentic #12 jersey. That's different. He's an HOF'er.

I'm talking about threads like, "Sammy Watkins had 2 TD's today! We never should have traded him. Remember when we gave up four #1's and the least to Ralph Wilson Stadium to draft him?"

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 minute ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

Yeah but I still own and wear a 1992 authentic #12 jersey. That's different. He's an HOF'er.

I'm talking about threads like, "Sammy Watkins had 2 TD's today! We never should have traded him. Remember when we gave up four #1's and the least to Ralph Wilson Stadium to draft him?"

Totally get it--I was tongue in cheek as is anyhow--but you're right, Watkins, Woods, and now Shady to add to the mix...<sigh>. Also, total side note, is that 1992 authentic #12 jersey to be had for the right price??

[Seasons1992]

Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Totally get it--I was tongue in cheek as is anyhow--but you're right, Watkins, Woods, and now Shady to add to the mix...<sigh>. Also, total side note, is that 1992 authentic #12 jersey to be had for the right price??

 

Get the hell out of my sight.

[corta765]

1 hour ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

I think Russ Brandon had a lot to do with the big name/poor performance era.  It was always more about selling season tickets than winning games.  If you look at the timing of some of those acquisitions, it is just when the team looks hopeless that a big name is added.  Mario is the perfect example.  

 

Over the years I’ve come to firmly believe Brandon pushed the Sammy trade more then anyone