John from Riverside Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: No one knows when Luck was destined to retire. Only Luck himself. Again I have never seen a player retire just 2 weeks before the season started, over an injury that will heal in a few months. I don’t know doc i never saw a player retire at halftime before last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: No one knows when Luck was destined to retire. Only Luck himself. Again I have never seen a player retire just 2 weeks before the season started, over an injury that will heal in a few months. That may be true doc. But it's completely beside the point. You said they knew or should have known he was retiring not 2 weeks, but 6 months? 18 months?...ago? Come on doc, back it up. Should be easy for you. Share the "insight" that led you to post that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: I don’t know doc i never saw a player retire at halftime before last year True. That wasn't right either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: It makes sense as they obviously have a lot of faith in him. If he has a great year they don't have to franchise tag him and will save about 10 million bucks next year. He's still in the lower half of the league in average starter money. They're only tied to him for two years if they want to draft a rookie to play behind him next year or wait until 2020. It's only obvious to most....not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I can’t believe they paid that much. Could have gotten him for the lowest tier starter number of 10M. Fitz gets 5.5. Tyrod got about 15 but that was after putting up great ball security stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: So just to be clear Peterman and Kizer are decent backups saddled with tough situations but Brissett is terrible? What part of neither is an NFL starter did you not get. Brissett is terrible. That is why he was a backup. He is a GREAT backup. A TERRIBLE starter. Edited September 3, 2019 by FUTURIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: That may be true doc. But it's completely beside the point. You said they knew or should have known he was retiring not 2 weeks, but 6 months? 18 months?...ago? Come on doc, back it up. Should be easy for you. Share the "insight" that led you to post that. I never said they should have known. This is on Luck. The point is players retire when they have an injury that will expose them to life-altering injury (like Wood's neck injury) or long-lasting problems (Morse and concussions, which is another discussion). The calf strain would have healed. He just didn't feel like playing anymore and I doubt that was something that just occurred to him. 4 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: I can’t believe they paid that much. Could have gotten him for the lowest tier starter number of 10M. Fitz gets 5.5. Tyrod got about 15 but that was after putting up great ball security stats. They had $50M in cap room. I wonder if it was an "80% of the cap" thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FUTURIST said: What part of neither is an NFL starter did you not get. Brissett is terrible. That is why he was a backup. Neither is a NFL backup either. All that we can go by are your words. You said, “Kizer and Peterman are not that bad.” You also said, “His backup will replace him around game 4. He is terrible.” That was in reference to Brissett. Based on ACTUAL participation in a NFL game those are not reasonable conclusions. Peterman<Kizer<<<<<<<<<Brissett Edited September 3, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, Doc said: I never said they should have known. This is on Luck. The point is players retire when they have an injury that will expose them to life-altering injury (like Wood's neck injury) or long-lasting problems (Morse and concussions, which is another discussion). The calf strain would have healed. He just didn't feel like playing anymore and I doubt that was something that just occurred to him. Yes, we all understand that Luck decided at some point that he didn't want to play any more. Thanks for the heads up on that one doc. But......You said they should have signed Foles. Then you just claimed he was done as soon as his just completed comeback, playoff winning season concluded. You said that Brissett was "no one's" plan, including the Colts. This despite the facts that he took every starter snap this off/preseason, they brought no one else in to compete with him and....they just, for no reason at all, singed him to a 2 year extension that will pay him over 3 times per year what he was due this year! But he wasn't "their plan" LOL These are things you said doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1168635665036271618?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (Sorry, idk how to embed a tweet from my phone) 20 mil Guaranteed ...Seems like the just enjoy handing out money unnecessarily This will be a bad contract that haunts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Yes, we all understand that Luck decided at some point that he didn't want to play any more. Thanks for the heads up on that one doc. But......You said they should have signed Foles. Then you just claimed he was done as soon as his just completed comeback, playoff winning season concluded. You said that Brissett was "no one's" plan, including the Colts. This despite the facts that he took every starter snap this off/preseason, they brought no one else in to compete with him and....they just, for no reason at all, singed him to a 2 year extension that will pay him over 3 times per year what he was due this year! But he wasn't "their plan" LOL These are things you said doc. Oy. I said that if he told them earlier, they could have done something else instead of having to go with Brissett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Oy. I said that if he told them earlier, they could have done something else instead of having to go with Brissett. lol no you didn't. No one runs from his own posts like you doc. Always the flippiest of floppers. Always a pleasure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: lol no you didn't. No one runs from his own posts like you doc. Always the flippiest of floppers. Always a pleasure... Yeah. I did. This whole thing started when you took umbrage with me saying that Luck's timing was poor because this was a decision that was a long time coming and he should have informed the Colts a lot sooner so that they could have had a better plan than Brissett. Edited September 3, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Neither is a NFL backup either. All that we can go by are your words. You said, “Kizer and Peterman are not that bad.” You also said, “His backup will replace him around game 4. He is terrible.” That was in reference to Brissett. Based on ACTUAL participation in a NFL game those are not reasonable conclusions. Peterman<Kizer<<<<<<<<<Brissett Wrong. I will take Kizer and Peterman at their salaries over the a $30M Brissett. Kizer and Peterman are perfect for what they are signed for. Run the scout team. Come in in blowout games. Brissett is terrible. He is not much better than Kizer. He is the 3rd best QB in Indy. Chad Kelly is better. Brissett Brissett was 4-12 as a starter in 2017. He is a career backup. Peterman is a pick off machine. Brissett is a fumbling machine. Edited September 3, 2019 by FUTURIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 9 hours ago, Doc said: Yeah. I did. This whole thing started when you took umbrage with me saying that Luck's timing was poor because this was a decision that was a long time coming and he should have informed the Colts a lot sooner so that they could have had a better plan than Brissett. You keep pushing back what you are convinced was Luck's date he decided to retire. First it was before Foles was signed. Now it's.....2 years ago. Of course you are making this all up. Whether it was "calf pain" or not, doesn't matter. He was tired of always being in pain, he said. He got married, had money in the bank, a new pain pops up. He tries to work through it. He decides he doesn't want to. Boom. After the Colts beat the Titans to make the playoffs, there was this (USAT): "As for Luck, the rebuilt quarterback who’s been forced to restart his career, he’s allowed in recent weeks how “fulfilling” this season has been for him. He never balked early in the year, vowing that he believed in Reich, believed in what this team was building. The results will come, he promised. He was right. Sixteen games into the comeback, and still more football to play. “I’m glad I get to play the greatest team game in the world,” Luck said, “in the greatest locker room in the world.” With that, the quarterback exited the same interview room he'd been so battered in three years ago beaming. His family was waiting. It was time to celebrate". To you, that's code for: "I'm seriously considering retirement". Simply put, there's no evidence that Luck had made his final decision sooner than he did. Certainly not before he got married. None. Also, the Colts plan B (which you called "a theory", LOL) was and clearly is Brissett. Why you continue to dispute that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, FUTURIST said: Wrong. I will take Kizer and Peterman at their salaries over the a $30M Brissett. Kizer and Peterman are perfect for what they are signed for. Run the scout team. Come in in blowout games. Brissett is terrible. He is not much better than Kizer. He is the 3rd best QB in Indy. Chad Kelly is better. Brissett Brissett was 4-12 as a starter in 2017. He is a career backup. Peterman is a pick off machine. Brissett is a fumbling machine. Brissett was 4-11 not 4-12. He also threw for 3,100 yards with 13 TDs (he rushed for 4 more) to 7 INTs. He has a career passer rating of 81.6. He is what he is. He is Tyrod, Keenum, Tannehill, Fitz and every other guy that was/is a bridge starter or high end backup. Peterman is statistically the WORST QB EVER with multiple starts. Kizer is the 2nd lowest rated QB since entering the league (ahead of only Peterman). Those guys aren’t “perfect to run the scout team.” They are scrubs that don’t belong on an NFL roster. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 13 hours ago, FUTURIST said: The Bills backup is better than the Colts starter. That is how you know the Bills are headed somewhere. Bills have depth everywhere. ? I am hoping the bills backup isn't better than the Bills starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Brissett was 4-11 not 4-12. Great. That makes all the difference in the world. Terrible vs Not as Terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I think Brissett will play well statistically and the Colts will be in the hunt for the AFC South title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: So just to be clear Peterman and Kizer are decent backups saddled with tough situations but Brissett is terrible? Peterman and Kizer are Terrible STARTERS. Brissett is a Terrible STARTER. Brisset is a good backup. You don't give good backups 15M a year. Hoyer is making 12M for 3 years. Brissett is making 30M for 2 years. Hoyer is just as good if not better than Brissett. This is not rocket science. When Hoyer takes his spot this will all make sense, if it doesn't already. There was no reason to give Brissett a starting QB contract based off his past performances. He is a backup. He should have just been forced to play under his contract until he proved (maybe through 5 games) he can start. He will be on the bench after the bye when they are 0-5. If they are lucky they will be 1-4. He is not a good staritng QB because he is not a starting QB. Period. The Colts MUST draft a QB or get a REAL QB in free agency. They are not winning with these two guys. No reason to pay either of them more than $4M a year. Edited September 3, 2019 by FUTURIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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