Shady's release ends 16-year streak of Bills' overinvestment in RB position

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Truthfully the Patriots dynasty is probably the most balanced dynasty of all time. Able to win in pretty much every imaginable way. With a game manager style QB in Brady's early days to league MVP QB in his later days. Over the course of that 20 year dynasty their have certainly been stretches where RB's have carried a heavy load. And with White and Michel, the recent trend has been RB's dominating over say WR's/TE's. 

They have also invested in the officiating position which shouldn't be overlooked.

[BuffaloMatt]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

Shady would not be happy with a limited role in Buffalo. His contract was up after this season.  Clearly time to move on. Even the national media is not blaming Beane. The problem is he continued to mis lead .

Beane was trying to deal him, GMs job is to sell a trade.  

[17years&waiting]

My problem with this theory, solely as it relates to this year, is that it over-emphasizes the salary implications in 2019.  An "over-investment" in RB money means that Beane is paying too much proportionally for RB's that the rest of the roster is suffocated of talent because not enough money is spent elsewhere.  This is looking at the Salary Cap as a pie chart: people see a large slice of the pie being spent on RB's; therefore, this must be pared back.  

 

However, this is only relevant if the money being spent on McCoy is instantly reallocated to other position groups on the roster.  In reality, this money is going to not be spent this season.  Further, the Bills had amongst the largest unspent money in the NFL prior to cutting McCoy.  This means that the Bills could have balanced this "over-investment" by spending closer to the cap without releasing McCoy.    

 

 

I'm not going to argue that the Bills haven't over invested on the running back position in the past; however, this wasn't a concern this year, considering the salary cap position of the team.  McCoy meant nothing to that.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, QCity said:

yeah, the Pats dynasty is known for their RBs 

 

Bandit does have a point.  The two teams with the highest allocation of $$ for RB payroll this year?  NE Patriots and LA Rams.  Now I'll grant you on the Pats, it's split between 3 RBs but that's the Patriots MO.  The Patriots aren't really known much for any star player besides Brady.  Their MO is sign players on rookie deals or prove-it FA deals then move on.

 

Fans like to go on about it being a passing league, teams can't win with the run.  Meanwhile various teams have stepped back a bit from the pass for various reasons - youthful QB, aging QB etc etc - and found success all the way to the Superbowl. 

-The Seasnakes did it while Wilson was young and developing from 2012 to 2015 - 2 Superbowl appearances and a win.  They did it again last year. 

-The 49ers did it from 2011-2013, including 2 conference championship appearances and a Superbowl loss

-The Patriots switched to a much run-heavier offense between 2015 (lost conference) and 2016 (won Superbowl). 

 

Yes, one needs to be able to mount a realistic passing threat, but there is still more than one recipe to build a winning team.

 

 

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Yeah just wait til the Pats put up 400 yards rushing against us,  Brady declining, build the defense and go back to winning lower scorer time consuming short pass and run oriented offense.

 

That's the real winning MO IMO.  ID the opponent's weakness (in our case, run defense) and ram it down their throats until they stop you.

[Da webster guy]

Shady was really our best player in 2017 and added a lot of excitement to that team.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

They don’t devote much salary to the position though.

 

 

Yeah there is a big difference between how the Rams invested and how the Patriots did.

 

The Gurley contract is an anchor on the Rams salary cap.    Their passing game and OL are so good that Senorise Perry could probably be productive RB for them.

 

The Patriots don't spend money on the RB position as you have said but they have the luxury of literally being able to spend their draft picks however they want because they are so far ahead of every other team because they have the best QB and the two best and most impactful coaches in the league(BB and Scarnecchia).

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Phil The Thrill]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

We didn't overinvest in this guy, he was a ***** bargain, at any price:

 

 

They just over-invested in his replacement 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

49 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

They have also invested in the officiating position which shouldn't be overlooked.

 

They leave no stone un-turned.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agreed. The sentiment of the piece is right but it is a stretch to see Shady's release as part of a move to the point he is making

 

 

 

...and yet Andy picked him up in a heart beat ( Bolts tried).....but what the hell would be know?.....

[BADOLBILZ]

42 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Shady was really our best player in 2017 and added a lot of excitement to that team.

 

 

 

The only thing exciting about that team was the end of games(mostly before the trade deadline mistakes) when we got to find out which side of the coin Jauron Ball landed on that week.  

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

I'll miss Shady and appreciate the effort he gave to this team, but Beane made the right move. We now have a nice cost effective mix of RB'S with different skillsets. 

[Agent 91]

2 hours ago, TPS said:

I was thinking about this yesterday after Shady's release.  The Bills are following the Patriot way in this case, carrying a mix of RBs with different skill sets, and at reasonable salaries, as opposed to over-paying for a big name.   

All of our offense smells if Pats to me. WR TE RB by committee. Just seems like they really are trying to replicate what NE is doing 

[TDO'Kearney]

24 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

...and yet Andy picked him up in a heart beat ( Bolts tried).....but what the hell would be know?.....

Don't underestimate spending 4 years in the same offensive system.  McCoy still has skills and warrior spirit, but he also won't spend half a season getting terminology and feel right.  I think it's no coincidence that the Bolts tried too with Anthony Lynn there, for the same reason.

[djp14150]

The era of RB is pretty much over.

 

RB is a replaceable position so after 4 yrs of a drafted one you replace with a new draft pick.

 

the ones you resign are ones that aren’t expensive.

[Nextmanup]

10 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

The era of RB is pretty much over.

 

RB is a replaceable position so after 4 yrs of a drafted one you replace with a new draft pick.

 

the ones you resign are ones that aren’t expensive.

You can extrapolate that out to almost every position on the field, except QB.

 

It's funny, as that world was widely envisioned when free agency and the salary cap came into being.

 

 

[from_dunkirk]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I, too, thought he was cut.

 

No, he is on IR:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/

 

3 hours ago, Rico said:

I thought Perry was gone, wtf.

 

He is still on the team. He went to the IR.

Edited September 1, 2019 by from_dunkirk

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, from_dunkirk said:

 

No, he is on IR:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/

 

 

Thank you.  It was initially reported that he'd been waived/injury settlement.  That's where my confusion came in.

 

Updating a previous report, Perry has been placed on injured reserve due to a quad injury, Jay Skurski of The Buffalo News reports.

The initial report indicated Perry had been waived/injured, though that plan still seems to be in the cards in a couple of weeks. Perry's injury is not considered serious.

 

[GoBills808]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

They signed multiple FA RBs in back to back off-seasons.

 

They drafted a RB in the first round 

 

They went from a pass blocking LT to a run blocking mauler.

 

While the rest of the league was going pass happy, NE loaded up to railroad teams with the run...and won a Super Bowl doing it 

Wasn’t Michel like pick #32?

[thebandit27]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Wasn’t Michel like pick #32?

 

31 IIRC

 

Also not the point.

 

Point is, I keep hearing people say that RBs aren't worth investing in, but I see teams like NE and Seattle spending 1st rounderd on them, the Rams and Texans paying big salaries to them, etc. We aren't talking about poorly-managed bottom feeder teams here.