macaroni Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'm a typical Kool-Aid drinking Pollyanna Bills fan. When we got Brown & Beasley I figured 2/3rds of our receiving corps problems had been solved. I have gone through the preseason figuring Brown our #1, Beasley our slot, and we only have to figure out who that "complementary" WR is going to be, and the room seemed full of guys none of whom would be a bad choice to fill that bill. Today, for the first time, I took a look at Browns stats and nothing really jumped out at me shouting #1 receiver. I figured I'd look at Zay Jones stats to see how much of an upgrade Brown would be. Much to my surprise (if you take away Zay's rookie year where he played with shoulder problems) they pretty much look like the same guy. I'm not as down on Zay as most of you. While I don't think he's much of a #1 receiver, I think he could play the role as that "complementary guy" just fine, problem is Brown seems to have had HIS problems with missed catches too … have I deluded myself into thinking that Brown is a clear cut #1, I'm NOT talking Jerry Rice, Megatron, OBJ #1, just a sure handed, reliable, you can count on him MOST of the time receiver? I get it that Brown is faster than Zay, but I don't want faster … I want catches the ball better. Talk me off the cliff people … convince me we don't have a Zay, and a fast Zay on our hands here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Yes. 6 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Fast > Bust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 We don't. That's all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Brown averages 15 yards a catch, Zay 11.7. Thats where it starts and ends with me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 When healthy, Brown has proven to be a legitimate deep threat. They don't call him "Smoke" for nothing. He was on pace for a 1k season with Flacco 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, macaroni said: I'm a typical Kool-Aid drinking Pollyanna Bills fan. When we got Brown & Beasley I figured 2/3rds of our receiving corps problems had been solved. I have gone through the preseason figuring Brown our #1, Beasley our slot, and we only have to figure out who that "complementary" WR is going to be, and the room seemed full of guys none of whom would be a bad choice to fill that bill. Today, for the first time, I took a look at Browns stats and nothing really jumped out at me shouting #1 receiver. I figured I'd look at Zay Jones stats to see how much of an upgrade Brown would be. Much to my surprise (if you take away Zay's rookie year where he played with shoulder problems) they pretty much look like the same guy. I'm not as down on Zay as most of you. While I don't think he's much of a #1 receiver, I think he could play the role as that "complementary guy" just fine, problem is Brown seems to have had HIS problems with missed catches too … have I deluded myself into thinking that Brown is a clear cut #1, I'm NOT talking Jerry Rice, Megatron, OBJ #1, just a sure handed, reliable, you can count on him MOST of the time receiver? I get it that Brown is faster than Zay, but I don't want faster … I want catches the ball better. Talk me off the cliff people … convince me we don't have a Zay, and a fast Zay on our hands here. This is an empirical question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Absolutely. No question. Kinda stunned that you asked this question but anyways...... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: He has to share a nickname with Dareus? That doesn’t seem very original...... Well...it is time for a new nickname. I understand the hesitation about John Brown, because everyone was expecting another Brown this year, but here we are. I believe that John Brown and Josh Allen are going to have some moments. I am looking for a big year from a healthy Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I think you're overthinking it. Brown was brought in for the deep zone Zay intermediate zone Beasley short zone So, Brown's not replacing Zay, but he does limit/change Zay's role in the offense. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Yes. End thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, inkman said: Brown averages 15 yards a catch, Zay 11.7. Thats where it starts and ends with me. Just now, Rocket94 said: When healthy, Brown has proven to be a legitimate deep threat. They don't call him "Smoke" for nothing. He was on pace for a 1k season with Flacco I can see your points but according to https://www.pro-football-reference.com last year Brown caught 43.2% of his targets, Jones caught 54.9% of his targets, soooo if you throw each one 100 times Brown equals 100 X 15 X 43.2% which is roughly equal to 648 yards, to Jones equals 100 X 11.7 X 54.9% is roughly 642.33 yards. I'm sorry I just don't see that much of a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: When healthy, Brown has proven to be a legitimate deep threat. They don't call him "Smoke" for nothing. He was on pace for a 1k season with Flacco ...LOL...love that nickname......but my boy "Frank the Tank" is a close 2nd......the ageless RB wonder......Zay has a place though IMO.... Edited August 28, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, macaroni said: I can see your points but according to https://www.pro-football-reference.com last year Brown caught 43.2% of his targets, Jones caught 54.9% of his targets, soooo if you throw each one 100 times Brown equals 100 X 15 X 43.2% which is roughly equal to 648 yards, to Jones equals 100 X 11.7 X 54.9% is roughly 642.33 yards. I'm sorry I just don't see that much of a difference. Just saying...in my opinion, John Brown is a better player when healthy and heavily involved in an offense. I would take him any day over Jones. I dont like Jones at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Well...it is time for a new nickname. I understand the hesitation about John Brown, because everyone was expecting another Brown this year, but here we are. I believe that John Brown and Josh Allen are going to have some moments. I am looking for a big year from a healthy Brown. We shall see. They knew who the top guys were in the first 3 preseason games. They were trying to figure out the bottom of the order. That is mostly what we saw. Hopefully Brown lives up to the contract. I admit I’m more much excited about Beasley, because he opens up what we need Josh to do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 First today, then tomorrow. First today than tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, Augie said: We shall see. They knew who the top guys were in the first 3 preseason games. They were trying to figure out the bottom of the order. That is mostly what we saw. Hopefully Brown lives up to the contract. I admit I’m more much excited about Beasley, because he opens up what we need Josh to do better. I love Beasley and I have no doubt about him. All he is doing is continuing his professionalism in a different uniform...guys a pro! 3 minutes ago, Augie said: We shall see. They knew who the top guys were in the first 3 preseason games. They were trying to figure out the bottom of the order. That is mostly what we saw. Hopefully Brown lives up to the contract. I admit I’m more much excited about Beasley, because he opens up what we need Josh to do better. Brown should do his part...why wouldn't he? We are supposed to be optimistic...lets support the guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Just saying...in my opinion, John Brown is a better player when healthy and heavily involved in an offense. I would take him any day over Jones. I dont like Jones at all. and that's a fine opinion, as a matter of fact that was MY opinion before I ran the numbers … I'm just wondering if it's still a valid opinion and why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I am not much of a numbers guy anymore. I tend to focus on performance, the system an individual is in and other factors. I just hope to sit back and watch this guy help the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 The level of hate for Jones does seem over the top from some people here, but I know who the defences will be more concerned about when Brown and Jones are on the field at the same time.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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