Mat68 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I just hope everyone understands that there is a 1% chance this deal happens. Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen. So your saying there's a chance? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bockeye said: I’m with you on not giving up a first round pick. Next draft will be loaded with WR’s in the first and we need one. Having said that, I’m on board with what some of the vet posters here are saying - mid round pick and player(s). Another aspect to think about is Brady. We HAVE to invest heavily in our D as there is no way we will match NE’s offense until he retires or falls off the cliff. That could be another 2-3 years. Well, that’s just a way of saying we need to get better in all phases. Right now the biggest bang for our bucks would be to add an impact WR or TE (yeah we added to both positions in the offseason, but nobody resembling a big impact player). Clowney would improve pretty much any team, but for the Bills it’s more likely to vault is into Texans territory - a one and done playoff team at best - while shortening our window for becoming a true competitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Absolutely. The notion that Zay Jones, Shaq, and a mid round pick will get it done is pretty absurd. No chance that's the highest bidder. I suspect it may very well have to be a first for the Bills considering the tradeable assets they (don't) have. As D4D pointed out, the worst case scenario PR wise is that he doesn't want to come here. That would suck. Zay, Murph, Foster, Yeldon are more than a collection of players. NFL personnel people will not approach this as out of kilter optimists or pessimists. They will consider the previously mentioned players at a price and will consider that given the waiver system they will have to let these same players be considered by more than 20 different teams. Also, there is a sticking point in terms of Clowney and the Texans which dampens the value of Clowney. Not saying that it is going to happen but if it does I think it will fall in the middle with a few players that will get cut and a medium to high draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I just hope everyone understands that there is a 1% chance this deal happens. Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen. Firmly believing it will or wont either way is idiotic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Jadeveon Clowney watch: Should the Buffalo Bills pursue a trade? Let’s start with the biggest obstacle in a trade for Clowney. The Texans placed the franchise tag on him back on March 4 and failed to reach a multiyear deal with him by the July 15 deadline. That means any team that trades for the pass rusher will be getting him on just a one-year deal with no guarantee he’ll sign long term. It’ll likely cost a high end draft pick to acquire Clowney, whose injury history reads like a horror movie fan’s greatest hits. He’s underwent a knee surgery in three of his five NFL seasons, had a lisfranc injury in 2015 and a sports hernia surgery in 2014. But the Bills under Beane haven’t shied away from players with an injury history. The third-year GM has showed a willingness to pursue a big trade (see Antonio Brown saga) if it’s something that makes his team better. In every glimpse Beane has provided into the philosophy of team building since he arrived in Buffalo, he has made it clear that he values his draft capital and fundamentally believes that great teams are built through the draft. The Texans reportedly want a wide receiver and/or offensive line help in a deal for Clowney. It just so happens that the Bills have a few potential options to make a deal work (tackle Ty Nsekhe and receiver Zay Jones come to mind - if you’re willing to part with them). Making the Bills an even more likely trade partner is Houston’s situation at running back. Starter Lamar Miller suffered a torn ACL on Saturday in a preseason game against the Dallas Cowboys. Bills running back LeSean McCoy is on the last year of his deal and could be the perfect last-minute option for the Texans, who are in the mix for the AFC title this season. Houston coach Bill O’Brien said on Saturday that any trade has to bring value to his team. Edited August 25, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Firmly believing it will or wont either way is idiotic. I firmly believe it will or it won't happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Isn't Clowney the guy who quit on his college team his final season so he wouldn't get hurt and cost himself money in the NFL ? If traded to the Bills would he quit on this team so he doesn't get hurt and cost himself a big payday next year "cough Jairus Byrd cough" ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 55 minutes ago, Mat68 said: That team was not anywhere near as talented. Clowney makes the Bill's a legit top 5 defense and contender for best defense in the NFL. Weren't we a "legit top 5 defense" and a "contender for the best defense in the NFL" last year without him!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, frostbitmic said: Isn't Clowney the guy who quit on his college team his final season so he wouldn't get hurt and cost himself money in the NFL ? If traded to the Bills would he quit on this team so he doesn't get hurt and cost himself a big payday next year "cough Jairus Byrd cough" ? That is a legit concern. And we've seen players to into protection mode in their FA years (I'm looking at you, Stephon Gilmore). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 If the Bills wanted to trade for Clowney no one would know about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, MJS said: There will be another thread next week, and another for every week until the trade deadline passes. Bunch of hot air with nothing substantial. I'll believe it when I see it. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are talking but if talks are going on this long you have to wonder how far apart are they. If there was immense interest I would suspect it’d be boom boom and done already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Isn't Clowney the guy who quit on his college team his final season so he wouldn't get hurt and cost himself money in the NFL ? If traded to the Bills would he quit on this team so he doesn't get hurt and cost himself a big payday next year "cough Jairus Byrd cough" ? No one would trade for him unless he signs a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: Weren't we a "legit top 5 defense" and a "contender for the best defense in the NFL" last year without him!?!? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Isn't Clowney the guy who quit on his college team his final season so he wouldn't get hurt and cost himself money in the NFL ? If traded to the Bills would he quit on this team so he doesn't get hurt and cost himself a big payday next year "cough Jairus Byrd cough" ? HIs injuries and less than eye popping sack stats would suggest he needs to have a "contract" season this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Thanks John, always appreciate your posts. Couple follow up questions Is this person someone that for sure would know in the first place, or is it possible Beane is working on this and source wouldn't necessarily know yet? Lets assume he would definitely know, wouldn't it make more sense for them to say no at this stage since its not done? Or would this person always tell you the true answer no matter what? Just curious to the weight of their response...thanks again John! I only post citing people whom I trust and are in a position to know. One more thing: If Brandon Beane was so busy involved in all these trade talks, why did he spent a good half hour doing one on one interviews with a whole host of reporters following practice today? jw 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 McCoy Zay 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, aceman_16 said: Weren't we a "legit top 5 defense" and a "contender for the best defense in the NFL" last year without him!?!? Top 5 sure. When you discuss the best defenses last year Buffalo wasnt the top of many lists. They weren't a dominant Defense. The Bears Defense was in a similar place as ours. Enter Mack and they went to another level. Clowney isnt that, but he would have a similar impact for the overall team. The team is lacking a disrupter. Clowney is that. Run or Pass Clowney has the ability to blow up either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Zay, Murph, Foster, Yeldon are more than a collection of players. NFL personnel people will not approach this as out of kilter optimists or pessimists. They will consider the previously mentioned players at a price and will consider that given the waiver system they will have to let these same players be considered by more than 20 different teams. Also, there is a sticking point in terms of Clowney and the Texans which dampens the value of Clowney. Not saying that it is going to happen but if it does I think it will fall in the middle with a few players that will get cut and a medium to high draft pick. Zay and Foster could both potentially be cut. Murphy is mostly known for being injured. ANYONE could have signed Yeldon in the offseason if they thought he was someone they'd be willing to trade for. Shaq and maybe Foster are the two guys in the discussion that I could see providing trade value. I could see a team intrigued by Foster's big play ability and Shaq is a "proven" commodity with SOME upside. But you never know how another team views these players. Maybe they think Zay just hasn't had a QB. Maybe they think Murphy is a stud. I doubt it, but it's theoretically possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: No one would trade for him unless he signs a contract. He can't....can only sign his franchise contract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: No. Lol okay... revisionist history at it's worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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