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I know it's early, but the Bills 2019 draft looks like an absolute slam dunk

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3 hours ago, teef said:

are you ready for the, "it doesn't mean anything until the bills start winning!" responses?  i am.

 

I've been told that ittakestime...

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Just now, HappyDays said:

The pick I'm still most skeptical about is Singletary. I'm not sure he has the speed to separate from NFL defenders. I like what he's shown in the pass game but the early comparisons to a young Shady don't seem correct to me. Shady would never let a 2nd string d-lineman tackle his ankles as he tried to turn the corner.

I would have went with Hakeem Butler (who did break his hand).  I feel like the Singletary pick wasn’t necessary, especially given how easy it is to find rbs now.  

 

But Oliver was my favorite pick in awhile.  The lack of production of Knox worries me but I’m fine with everything else.  

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would have went with Hakeem Butler (who did break his hand). 

 

I hated Butler as a prospect. He has trouble separating and his hands are bad. His scouting report reads like Zay Jones. My mid-round receiver crush this year was Arcega-Whiteside.

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I hated Butler as a prospect. He has trouble separating and his hands are bad. His scouting report reads like Zay Jones. My mid-round receiver crush this year was Arcega-Whiteside.

I like A-W but I thought he had problems separating too haha.  I just think a receiver with size would really compliment this receiving core.  

 

 

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7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I hated Butler as a prospect. He has trouble separating and his hands are bad. His scouting report reads like Zay Jones. My mid-round receiver crush this year was Arcega-Whiteside.

When I look at the way Beane drafts....there seem to be a pattern in where he goes early as it goes to the concencus strong position of the draft.....

 

Year before last.....Josh Allen in a "QB draft"

Last draft....wen Oliver in a "DL draft"

Next Year....supposidly a "WR" draft

 

I realize we are talking about the 3rd round and not the 1st round in this conversation.....but maybe the plan is to use our 1st round pick on a pas catcher.....and this year we brought in Smoke and Beasley...improving the position even though we do not have a true number 1....maybe in the next draft?

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The board continues to trend toward the "Super-Fans" perspective on everything. 

 

Just waiting for someone to chime in like Todd O'Connor and declare that the Bills will break Pittsburgh's record of drafting four HOFers in 1974 with 5 from the 2019 class. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Logic said:


Absolutely. I'm putting the over/under on number of "pump your brakes" responses at 4.

 

Does it invalidate the criticism of your post if you know it’s coming and say it before they do?

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4 hours ago, Logic said:

I was just reading an article about Darryl Johnson and how the Bills likely won't even have the luxury of stashing him on the practice squad this year because he's just been too impressive. Ditto Tommy Sweeney. When was the last time TWO 7th round picks not only made the opening day roster, but made big contributions in their rookie years?

Obviously, we have to see these guys play for a few years before we can declare any draft class a success. With that caveat out of the way, it appears at this early stage as though Beane knocked this draft out of the park.

Oliver and Ford look to be fixtures in the trenches for years to come. Singletary and Knox BOTH look like steals in the third round, and I expect both to be the #1 on the depth chart at their positions by next season. Tommy Sweeney and Darryl Johnson from the 7th round, as mentioned, look like legitimate NFL starters. Jaquan Johnson has looked good in limited action as a depth safety. Seems like a very smart player. That leaves only Vosean Joseph. As it is, it seems probable that he will make the roster and contribute on special teams this year, and he certainly has the talent to be a contributor on defense next year. I figure he'll follow the same career path as last year's 5th round pick, Siran Neal. Even if he doesn't though, it looks like the Bills hit on 7 out of 8 picks, at minimum. That's OUTSTANDING!

If these types of draft classes continue, bright times are ahead for Buffalo.
 

 

Well said; looks like an excellent draft.

 

The last time I can remember that the Bills had drafted so well as the Bills have over the last few years was when Polian was here.  And this seems like the best coaching staff since then too.  Great signs for success this year and long term.

 

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43 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would have went with Hakeem Butler (who did break his hand).  I feel like the Singletary pick wasn’t necessary, especially given how easy it is to find rbs now.  

 

But Oliver was my favorite pick in awhile.  The lack of production of Knox worries me but I’m fine with everything else.  

George Kittle 

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/george-kittle-1.html

 

Dawson Knox

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dawson-knox-1.html

 

Basically only difference was in Tds. Ole Miss had a ton of talent at receiver so he wasnt targeted as much. But 15 avg? Yeah I'll take that anyday

 

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We really need someone to be the @oldtakedexposed guy on the board

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4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

George Kittle 

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/george-kittle-1.html

 

Dawson Knox

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dawson-knox-1.html

 

Basically only difference was in Tds. Ole Miss had a ton of talent at receiver so he wasnt targeted as much. But 15 avg? Yeah I'll take that anyday

 

I mean 10 tds is a huge difference but point taken. Kittle seems like a huge outlier though but hopefully he is a hidden gem. 

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4 hours ago, teef said:

i get the mahomes issue, but people are going to have to move on from it.  it's like you did something to your girlfriend/wife years ago, but she just keeps bringing up the one time you ***** something up so she can feel justified to be mad.  i guess what i'm getting at is that the people that keep harping about mahomes are little *****.

Oh, you are married too?

4 hours ago, Logic said:

I was just reading an article about Darryl Johnson and how the Bills likely won't even have the luxury of stashing him on the practice squad this year because he's just been too impressive. Ditto Tommy Sweeney. When was the last time TWO 7th round picks not only made the opening day roster, but made big contributions in their rookie years?

Obviously, we have to see these guys play for a few years before we can declare any draft class a success. With that caveat out of the way, it appears at this early stage as though Beane knocked this draft out of the park.

Oliver and Ford look to be fixtures in the trenches for years to come. Singletary and Knox BOTH look like steals in the third round, and I expect both to be the #1 on the depth chart at their positions by next season. Tommy Sweeney and Darryl Johnson from the 7th round, as mentioned, look like legitimate NFL starters. Jaquan Johnson has looked good in limited action as a depth safety. Seems like a very smart player. That leaves only Vosean Joseph. As it is, it seems probable that he will make the roster and contribute on special teams this year, and he certainly has the talent to be a contributor on defense next year. I figure he'll follow the same career path as last year's 5th round pick, Siran Neal. Even if he doesn't though, it looks like the Bills hit on 7 out of 8 picks, at minimum. That's OUTSTANDING!

If these types of draft classes continue, bright times are ahead for Buffalo.
 

Generally speaking I agree....but pump the brakes, it is just preseason. Remember, we could have had Pat Mahomes if we didnt trade up for Sammy. 

Edit: Wait, hear me out!

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3 hours ago, Element115 said:

 

I think it was 5.

Actually it was eight.

 

Go Bills!!!

 

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39 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

The board continues to trend toward the "Super-Fans" perspective on everything. 

 

Just waiting for someone to chime in like Todd O'Connor and declare that the Bills will break Pittsburgh's record of drafting four HOFers in 1974 with 5 from the 2019 class. 

 

 

 

No one is allowed to be happy. If you are happy, you are a cultist, a hyped-up sunshine bunny dope.

Are you happy now?

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37 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Does it invalidate the criticism of your post if you know it’s coming and say it before they do?

Maybe not, but it does make said poster look foolish under the circumstances.

 

Go Bills!!!

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24 minutes ago, ******* said:

We really need someone to be the @oldtakedexposed guy on the board

 

We have plenty of them. Don’t get any ideas.

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Mahomes wouldn't be the same player if the Bills had drafted him and surrounded him with the below average offense we had.  Mahomes is thriving in KC because, first of all he's really really good, and second because he's in a great situation, and third because he got to sit his entire rookie year and learn the game.  

 

If the Bills had drafted him, we wouldn't have White, and we wouldn't have Allen.  And we'd have a frustrated Mahomes nearing the end of his rookie contract, thinking about free agency and dollar signs and joining a contender.

 

I think overall this is shaping up to be a win-win.  Give it time.

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8 hours ago, Logic said:

I was just reading an article about Darryl Johnson and how the Bills likely won't even have the luxury of stashing him on the practice squad this year because he's just been too impressive. Ditto Tommy Sweeney. When was the last time TWO 7th round picks not only made the opening day roster, but made big contributions in their rookie years?

Obviously, we have to see these guys play for a few years before we can declare any draft class a success. With that caveat out of the way, it appears at this early stage as though Beane knocked this draft out of the park.

Oliver and Ford look to be fixtures in the trenches for years to come. Singletary and Knox BOTH look like steals in the third round, and I expect both to be the #1 on the depth chart at their positions by next season. Tommy Sweeney and Darryl Johnson from the 7th round, as mentioned, look like legitimate NFL starters. Jaquan Johnson has looked good in limited action as a depth safety. Seems like a very smart player. That leaves only Vosean Joseph. As it is, it seems probable that he will make the roster and contribute on special teams this year, and he certainly has the talent to be a contributor on defense next year. I figure he'll follow the same career path as last year's 5th round pick, Siran Neal. Even if he doesn't though, it looks like the Bills hit on 7 out of 8 picks, at minimum. That's OUTSTANDING!

If these types of draft classes continue, bright times are ahead for Buffalo.
 

This is the only part I don't understand. He hasn't done anything yet. Sweeny at least got on the field. Ford is probably going to be a great guard, but is that as big of a win if they wanted a RT? Beware the Peterman Preseason Hype. 

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8 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Obviously some incredibly "wise" poster is going to strongly admonish us for not waiting until after all these guys retire to really determine if they were any good

I will not admonish you or anyone else for it but I would not be astonished to see it happen. Somebody will project their miserable day on us all unfortunately. :)

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4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

The pick I'm still most skeptical about is Singletary. I'm not sure he has the speed to separate from NFL defenders. I like what he's shown in the pass game but the early comparisons to a young Shady don't seem correct to me. Shady would never let a 2nd string d-lineman tackle his ankles as he tried to turn the corner.

Thank you! I'm also very concerned that this was a poor pick. I think we'll find out soon enough because it doesn't take RB's long to show what they're about.

 

Overall, I think it was a solid draft. But along with Singletary, I'm concerned about Knox. Very early to judge, but those are the two guys I'm concerned about.

 

Love Oliver, like Ford, love Joseph in the fifth, very intrigued by Johnson so late in the draft. No strong opinions on the other draftees.

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36 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

This is the only part I don't understand. He hasn't done anything yet. Sweeny at least got on the field. Ford is probably going to be a great guard, but is that as big of a win if they wanted a RT? Beware the Peterman Preseason Hype. 


I don't blame anyone one iota if they want to see more from Knox before believing he'll be a good player. I mean, he literally hasn't suited up for a single down of NFL football yet.

I'm admittedly an eternal optimist, but I happen to think he's going to be very, very good. I thought so before the draft, I was THRILLED when the Bills traded ahead of the Pats to pick him, and I was not surprised when he was tearing up camp prior to his injury. He and Sweeney are going to form an excellent 1-2 punch for the next several years in Buffalo.

But again, I fully understand why people would want me to #PumpTheBrakes on Knox.

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