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On 8/10/2019 at 1:18 PM, VW82 said:

We gave up a lot of points in 2018 but we were third in the league in yards allowed per play. Bet we finish top 5 in points against this year. So much talent and McD's a really good defensive coach.

I'm more concerned about pts than yards. Ranked 18th in points allowed doesn't get me excited.  374 pts needs to be under 315 this year, which puts us in top 5. Under 19 pts/game.

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1 hour ago, Logic said:

The thing about preseason is that YES, it's true: the games don't matter.

HOWEVER...

All things being equal, wouldn't you rather that the team look great in preseason than not? 

So they came out defensively and absolutely throttled a team with no Andrew Luck or TY Hilton (nevermind the fact that Buffalo had no Hughes, Hyde, or Alexander), you're saying "so what?"

Well, imagine if they looked really BAD against a Colts team with no Andrew Luck. Looked like they were all giving top effort, but got absolutely smoked by a team without their starting QB. How would you feel THEN? It could be like the Lions-Pats game, where the Lions got outgained in yardage 459 to 93, and outscored 31-3. How would you feel THEN?

All things being equal, I'll take the outcome that features  the Bills defense executing their scheme well, filling gaps, form tackling, dominating the opposition, and winning most of their individual positional matchups. Final score doesn't matter in the preseason, it's true, but performance on the field is what you want to see, and that's what we saw against Indy.

Thanks.  For me it was how they looked, totally in control. They knew what they were doing.  It was umpressive.

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On 8/10/2019 at 6:05 PM, njbuff said:

Another thread where we need to pump the brakes.

 

It is preseason and there was no Luck out there.

 

Counterpoint: would Luck have escaped that near-sack Oliver had on Brissett? My crystal ball says "Awww, Hell No!"

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On 8/11/2019 at 5:11 AM, Shaw66 said:

I've gotta say, I've been holding my breath a bit about the defense.   The prevailing view around has been it should be as good or better than last year. 

 

Having now watched the first half of the Colts game, I gotta say there was nothing to worry about.  Great gap discipline - everyone was where he needed to be, every play.  They won their share of one on ones, held their ground on most, rarely got beaten badly one on one.  Two or three guys on every tackle.   Only tight windows for the Colts QBs.   It was stifling.

 

I also have to agree with those who have commented on Edmunds.  Quick, attacking, always in the right hole.  

 

THAT was good defense.

 

 

Yeah, they looked really good. Mind you, having Luck on the sidelines probably made them look better. But I'm not worried about the defense much at all. They were already very good last year, and I think they're going to be even better with Oliver and with an extra year in the system for so many.

 

The offense? Yeah, I'm perspiring a bit there.

 

 

On 8/12/2019 at 11:42 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm more concerned about pts than yards. Ranked 18th in points allowed doesn't get me excited.  374 pts needs to be under 315 this year, which puts us in top 5. Under 19 pts/game.

 

 

Points are a huge concern. But unlike yards, defensive points allowed doesn't even come close to isolating the defense. It's a stat that is hugely affected by field position. It's probably somewhere on the order of 30% offense and STs and 70% defense.

 

Yeah, it's a concern, but it's more of a team concern than one that isolates the defense. Yards on the other hand is about 99% defense.

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On 8/10/2019 at 4:15 PM, Nextmanup said:

Not sure why you have been holding your breath about the defense.  I think they will be fine, at least for the first half of games.

 

If Allen doesn't round the corner and consistently produce sustained drives, the D being gassed in the second half is going to be a theme all season.

 

 

 

Ehh...way overstated...they finished 2nd in the NFL last year...did they look gassed in many games? Holding teams to under 200 yards of total offense several times and under 300 yards of total offene several other times?

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I don't know why people had questions about the defense. The defense is returning mostly young and prime players. Ed Oliver replaces a declining Kyle Williams and the secondary added some depth. Lorax and Hughes are the only truly older players, the veterans Hyde, Poyer, Star, and Trent are all vets but in their primes. Edumonds, Milano, Tre, Levi, T.Johnson, H.Phillips, Shaq, and Oliver are all young players who will only stand to get better. 

 

The defense is also built to fit the talent and fit for the modern NFL. It's a nice mix of young players, in their prime players with some vets in there. 

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