Magox Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How much football do you have to watch to determine a rookie O lineman (a Guard, no less) on a team outside of your division is better than all others in the NFL at his position AND better than nearly every player who has ever played that position in the games history? Sometimes I think you just argue to argue. He was viewed as the best guard prospect coming into college in over a decade. Became first team All-pro his rookie year. For someone to take a guess that he will be a generational talent based off that is not a stretch and certainly not worth arguing about. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How much football do you have to watch to determine a rookie O lineman (a Guard, no less) on a team outside of your division is better than all others in the NFL at his position AND better than nearly every player who has ever played that position in the games history? It might help if you familiarize yourself with the term "generational talent." Here's a hint: it doesn't mean "best ever." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 53 minutes ago, zonabb said: This guy in unlistenable. Holy hell. Guys like this is what drove me away from TV commentating. Can anyone who covers the NFL speak like a professional, use a player's actual name (how many times can you try to be cool and hip as a dorky suburban white guy and say Big Q?), stop screaming and yelling, avoid hyperbole, and have an actual informed conversation instead of a slang-ridden, hip-hop rap take? These idiots could take some lessons from anyone cover the English Premier League, who are technically superior to any of the jokers covering the NFL. Speaking of avoiding hyperbole... 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: It might help if you familiarize yourself with the term "generational talent." Here's a hint: it doesn't mean "best ever." It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position. Pretty simple definition of “generational”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position. Pretty simple definition of “generational”. How long do you think is a "generation"? 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position. Pretty simple definition of “generational”. What about other generational talents that were better? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Magox said: Sometimes I think you just argue to argue. He was viewed as the best guard prospect coming into college in over a decade. Became first team All-pro his rookie year. For someone to take a guess that he will be a generational talent based off that is not a stretch and certainly not worth arguing about. I think it’s common sense to conclude that one season doesn’t make one a generational player. Draft pick? Sure. What if he whiffs this year (relatively) this year? Is Suh a generational talent? Another All Pro Rookie. 6 minutes ago, Doc said: How long do you think is a "generation"? I think it’s what it is typically defined as...about 25 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position. Pretty simple definition of “generational”. Peyton and Brady are generational talents. Both of them played in the same generation with Brady extending the time frame. As usual you are making a picayune point for the sake of supporting your quarrelsome position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I think it’s what it is typically defined as...about 25 years Pretty much. So he's they type of talent comes along once in every 25 years. Doesn't mean he is or will be the best ever. But what he is right now is arguably the best OG in the game and Oliver was giving him all he could handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Pretty much. So he's they type of talent comes along once in every 25 years. Doesn't mean he is or will be the best ever. But what he is right now is arguably the best OG in the game and Oliver was giving him all he could handle. He had a great rookie year and Oliver handled him for a few preseason snaps. I’m on board with all that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 The point is that Nelson, a starting guard in the NFL got pushed around by Oliver, a rookie playing in his first NFL game. No hyperbole needed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, JohnC said: Peyton and Brady are generational talents. Both of them played in the same generation with Brady extending the time frame. As usual you are making a picayune point for the sake of supporting your quarrelsome position. No I’m just helping you understand the term generational talent, which certainly allows for 2 at the same time...but not many others, you know, by definition. And at what point in his career did you label Brady a generational talent? After how many SB wins? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Quinton Nelson won that match up with Oliver. Its all good. Nelson is an all-pro guard and that was Oliver's first game in the league. Even still, Oliver did some good things--handling the double team, almost getting a sack, etc. I reallllly look forward to seeing what Oliver does to guards not named Nelson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said: “Look at big Q finishing Ed Oliver” Oliver sheds the block and makes the tackle with star Yeah finished him right into the ball carrier for 1 yard gain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, Doc said: How long do you think is a "generation"? At worst you should be in the conversation for best ever if you are the best of a generation. Generation is thought of as about 15-20 years typically. Think, baby boomers, generation X, millenials, generation Z etc. Really in our more modern society it should be thought of as about 25-35 years with couples often waiting to their late 20's start families now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: At worst you should be in the conversation for best ever if you are the best of a generation. Generation is thought of as about 15-20 years typically. Think, baby boomers, generation X, millenials, generation Z etc. Really in our more modern society it should be thought of as about 25-35 years with couples often waiting to their late 20's start families now. In the conversation sure, but not necessarily the best ever. And I've always thought it was 20-30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: In the conversation sure, but not necessarily the best ever. And I've always thought it was 20-30 years. Yeah closer to 30 makes more sense in today's world. Most people are not having kids at 18-20 years old. But if you look at the commonly defined spreads of for Gen X,Y,Z etc. they are usually up to 20 years but not longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: “Look at big Q finishing Ed Oliver” Oliver sheds the block and makes the tackle with star Yes. This made me laugh. Oliver is in on the tackle but Q finishes Oliver. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I'm sorry, but besides drawing the double team, what did he do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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