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On 8/8/2019 at 10:31 PM, HardyBoy said:

An inside run game with Singletary, two tight ends and a fullback is crazy exciting. If you have a back who can set up runs in space, with two unaccounted for blockers, you're taking potentialy 20 yards in chunks.

 

Also, I've said it before, I'm big on Wade. I think he has the same set up ability as Singletary just with different angles, though tap the breaks a moment, having to only beat one guy on a very hard to defend angle, and a full field open after isn't really fair. Might be hard to sneak him on the practice squad, especially if he showing film he's quickly picking up the angles through the rest of preseason.

 

Kroft, Knox and Sweeney, blocking and catching as an onfield unit, and hopefully Croom makes the team on special teams, because he was a solid target last year and has been developing as a TE, is exciting. You could totally put the four of those guys with any of the backs and this gets exciting. 

 

Holy crap, we have Shady. I think a more nuanced style would do better, because the three backfield blockers would have the time to reach the key blocks, but it's easy to forget Shady McCoy somehow!

 

Of course we'll have to see how the the oline prefers to play, that will drive a lot. Very excited to see the run plays this year, if Ford is RG and good, it's the best oline the bills have had in a while.

Can't really sneak anyone on the PS,  teams have to notify the league of these transactions.

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On 8/9/2019 at 1:43 AM, Seoulful Soul said:

I can see Singletary being the speed back and Wade being a power back with speed.

 

Add a fullback and I'm with you 100% percent.

 

 

On 8/9/2019 at 1:31 AM, HardyBoy said:

An inside run game with Singletary, two tight ends and a fullback is crazy exciting. If you have a back who can set up runs in space, with two unaccounted for blockers, you're taking potentialy 20 yards in chunks.

 

Also, I've said it before, I'm big on Wade. I think he has the same set up ability as Singletary just with different angles, though tap the breaks a moment, having to only beat one guy on a very hard to defend angle, and a full field open after isn't really fair. Might be hard to sneak him on the practice squad, especially if he showing film he's quickly picking up the angles through the rest of preseason.

 

Kroft, Knox and Sweeney, blocking and catching as an onfield unit, and hopefully Croom makes the team on special teams, because he was a solid target last year and has been developing as a TE, is exciting. You could totally put the four of those guys with any of the backs and this gets exciting. 

 

Holy crap, we have Shady. I think a more nuanced style would do better, because the three backfield blockers would have the time to reach the key blocks, but it's easy to forget Shady McCoy somehow!

 

Of course we'll have to see how the the oline prefers to play, that will drive a lot. Very excited to see the run plays this year, if Ford is RG and good, it's the best oline the bills have had in a while.

 

I wish I had a million dollars, because if I did, I'd bet you all that next year's top two RBs are not Singletary and Wade.

 

I'll give you that Singletary could COMPETE for top RB duties next year. He will in no way be given an uncontested path to the job. You're likely looking at them bringing in (given no more shady or Gore) one or two quality backs, either through free agency or the draft. It has been one preseason game of the guys first season as a pro. I'm not ready to hand him the future of the backfield. 

 

Wade is a great story, but like I mentioned above, he is in for a long, uphill battle. He's going to been to make a splash via the PS this year. Regardless of what he does, he isn't going to enter camp next year as a top option. 

22 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I hope we keep Shady and Gore on the roster. 

 

RBs always get banged up during the season. It wasn't that long ago that we went from having a packed RB corps of Spiller and Jackson and someone else I can't remember to calling guys up from the practice squad early in the season due to injuries at RB. 

 

Shady, Gore, and Singletary would be a nice top 3, with a 4th back kept up for depth. I don't see or get the desire to trade McCoy, no matter how good Singletary looks. He can look amazing and then tweak a hammy in week 3 and then it's all on Gore and whoever if Shady is gone. If Shady is here then we would have 2 very capable backs still. 

 

When you're probably only going to get a 4th rounder or less for McCoy I say keep him. He's more valuable than that. 

 

 

Given Shady's injury history, and for all the reasons you mentioned, I think they'd be insane to not carry both of them through the season. Playing time is a different story. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gore or Shady a non-injury inactive at some point throughout the year. No reason to force feed these guys the ball, but all the reason to keep as many good players around as possible. 

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I’d be quite surprised if Wade made the team. I’d also be surprised if he made any team after that.

 

Nice story for sure but it’s an uphill battle.

 

Singletary is going to be deadly though.

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2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I’d be quite surprised if Wade made the team. I’d also be surprised if he made any team after that.

 

Nice story for sure but it’s an uphill battle.

 

Singletary is going to be deadly though.

I'm anxious to see how he does after a few more games. RB is the easiest position to come in green and excel at.

He has natural ability. Hand him the ball and run Forest run!

 

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1 hour ago, VW82 said:

I wasn't a fan of Singletary in this game. His run on 2nd and 5 in that second series was bad. Line got a nice push with so much open field out to the right. Prime Shady would have turned that into a 20 yard run. Singletary instead hesitates and then runs straight ahead into their DE. One rushing attempt doesn't make a career but that one left an impression. 

 

I finally got to see that clip.  This isn't accurate. The LB sealed the edge; he was unblocked. There was no outside to break it to.  

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Just now, Fan in San Diego said:

I'm anxious to see how he does after a few more games. RB is the easiest position to come in green and excel at.

He has natural ability. Hand him the ball and run Forest run!

 

He has athletic ability no doubt.

 

And he showed great speed and ability to run straight on Thursday.

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3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

He has athletic ability no doubt.

 

And he showed great speed and ability to run straight on Thursday.

Fortunately, we will get a few more games to see Wade's ability.

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22 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I finally got to see that clip.  This isn't accurate. The LB sealed the edge; he was unblocked. There was no outside to break it to.  

 

I’ve watched the play multiple times now. It’s at 7:50 of the first quarter. There was tones of daylight out to the right but Singletary hesitated then ran straight ahead instead of bouncing it wide for a first down.

 

It’s only one run . He looked better in the passing game than I thought he would for a rookie. Let’s see what he becomes.

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6 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

I’ve watched the play multiple times now. It’s at 7:50 of the first quarter. There was tones of daylight out to the right but Singletary hesitated then ran straight ahead instead of bouncing it wide for a first down.

 

It’s only one run . He looked better in the passing game than I thought he would for a rookie. Let’s see what he becomes.

It is sort of an optical illusion.  That is what I saw the first go around.  Then I watched a second time and realized the LB had come through clean.  The guy blocking him embarrassingly fell to his feet.  That is why Singletary cut back in. 

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On 8/9/2019 at 1:40 AM, JoPar_v2 said:

Let's just hope we have 2 tight ends healthy at any given time. 

On a positive note..Unger from CH 7 said Croom practiced yesterday.

55 minutes ago, Fan in San Diego said:

I would keep Shady, Gore, Wade and Singletary.

I need to see if Wade can block before I make a decision..

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I think it will be

Shady

Gore

Singletary 

Perry

 

Perry offers STs so he will edge out yeldon and Murphy. 

 

Wade to the PS. Is he even subject to waivers or does he go right to the PS without waivers 

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3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

What about all the other good plays?  Did those leave an impression?

You know what impression I got? This kid looks pretty good for a rookie in his first action against pro opposition. 

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4 hours ago, VW82 said:

I wasn't a fan of Singletary in this game. His run on 2nd and 5 in that second series was bad. Line got a nice push with so much open field out to the right. Prime Shady would have turned that into a 20 yard run. Singletary instead hesitates and then runs straight ahead into their DE. One rushing attempt doesn't make a career but that one left an impression. 

Darn it! And I has hoping for the second coming of Thurman Thomas in his first NFL action as rookie. Maybe he'll learn and impress by the season opener.

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2 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:

I'm anxious to see how he does after a few more games. RB is the easiest position to come in green and excel at.

He has natural ability. Hand him the ball and run Forest run!

 

 

A potential 4th string RB must offer something on Special Teams in order to secure a roster spot, especially in this case. They cab essentially keep 5 RBs to start the year, 4 on the active roster with Wade protected to the practice squad. They could always activate him in the active roster if they wanted and release the fourth guy, but that's not happening this year. 

 

You say it's easy to come in an run but playing RB is so much more than just running with the ball. Pass pro, blitz pickup, situational awareness, etc. 

 

He may be an amazing athlete, but with the international program essentially gifting the Bills a 54th roster spot, there is zero reason for him to be on the 53

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14 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

A potential 4th string RB must offer something on Special Teams in order to secure a roster spot, especially in this case. They cab essentially keep 5 RBs to start the year, 4 on the active roster with Wade protected to the practice squad. They could always activate him in the active roster if they wanted and release the fourth guy, but that's not happening this year. 

 

You say it's easy to come in an run but playing RB is so much more than just running with the ball. Pass pro, blitz pickup, situational awareness, etc. 

 

He may be an amazing athlete, but with the international program essentially gifting the Bills a 54th roster spot, there is zero reason for him to be on the 53

 

I know we already have guys competing for jobs in the return game, but that run by Wade last night sure makes me want to see him get  a few cracks at it in preseason. The rugby dude is used to running through chaos! 

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5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't require the CJ Spiller speed guy anymore. Or even the Shady "juke" the defender style. I like Devin's straight ahead plan. He may not get the 50 yard HR play often, but I think he'll be that 4-5 yard grinder who can make guys miss.

Yep he reminds me as a mix of Travis Henry and Le’Veon bell. 

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Why all the hype for Singletary after the Colts game? I watched all his runs.  I saw nothing special.  He broke one maybe two tackles.  He was hesitant to hit the hole on his first few carries.  By all accounts he has looked good in practice but first game action was pedestrian.  I'm not even really saying he was bad but the board and the media made it seem like he was all world.  Hope he can get better.  If this is as good as he can be, he will be lucky to dress for most games.  It will be Shady, Gore, and either Yeldon/Murphy that dress.  I have not heard of him contributing on special teams. 

It's his first 6 carries, and the final three were better than the first three.  So hopefully we will see more as the preseason progresses. 

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57 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Why all the hype for Singletary after the Colts game? I watched all his runs.  I saw nothing special.  He broke one maybe two tackles.  He was hesitant to hit the hole on his first few carries.  By all accounts he has looked good in practice but first game action was pedestrian.  I'm not even really saying he was bad but the board and the media made it seem like he was all world.  Hope he can get better.  If this is as good as he can be, he will be lucky to dress for most games.  It will be Shady, Gore, and either Yeldon/Murphy that dress.  I have not heard of him contributing on special teams. 

It's his first 6 carries, and the final three were better than the first three.  So hopefully we will see more as the preseason progresses. 

 

Devin Singletary will be an All-Time great Bills' RB if he remains relatively healthy for a career and the Bills' are able to maintain a good to great O-line. 

 

Didn't know there was much hype after his first game, but it's evident why people would be excited after watching the first preseason game. 

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Wade cannot play in the regular season this year. He is relegated to PS only this year, as a granted "11th player" per league rule. He cannot be signed by another team at any point this year. 

 

At this point, rb#4 is between Yeldon and Perry. I expect to see Shady for a series or 2, Singletary for a couple series, then Yeldon and Perry splitting reps throughout the remainder of preseason games #2 &3. Yeldon may have fumbled in game 1, and was possibly an insurance signing pre-draft, but he may offer more than Perry and has experience as a starter. 

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On 8/9/2019 at 12:29 PM, TheFunPolice said:

I hope we keep Shady and Gore on the roster. 

 

This feels like the year we released Fred Jackson. Hope I am wrong but I think we see a surprise cut or trade with either Gore or Shady. I hated the Fred Jackson cut at the time. I thought he had at least one more solid year with us.

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On 8/9/2019 at 3:19 PM, DCofNC said:

 

Wade is a free PS member and he's going there. Clearly they were excited to get him "a few touches" the first of which was a monster run, after he almost fumbled.  He's nowhere near ready, not even close. 

 

My suspicion is you will see Shady and Singletary basically alternate and Gore will be the thumper/change of pace guy.  I don't see Yeldon making the team, unless they are going to do it purely based on next year's roster.  I just don't see it.  I think they had little intention of drafting a back this year and it happened to fall the best guy on their board was Singletary.  I can't say yet if I see what they see in him, I don't see the burst to be a good starter in the NFL, but he could prove me wrong.  Either way, no ST play from Yeldon and the fact hes not all that special anyway, leads me to think he's going to get caught in the numbers, barring an injury or trade of course. I could see them pulling a late round pick out of him or Gore for that matter.   The other guys are effective and valueable elsewhere, its unlikely you are going to get much out of a 4th RB when you have 2 HOF players and a highly regarded rookie in front of them, so they better play ST.   

 

Next year Wade has to stick or he's done, 29 yrs old and don't have the skill set down? You are done.   He looks like he could be a helluva return guy, so maybe he has some value there too.

Thought the same about Singletary in terms of burst..... his acceleration looked extremely slow.

 

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On 8/9/2019 at 1:43 AM, Seoulful Soul said:

I can see Singletary being the speed back and Wade being a power back with speed.

 

Add a fullback and I'm with you 100% percent.

 

It took Singleterry a little bit to get some yardage as the game wore on.  It also was against 3rd and 4th stringers. 

 

Wade had a great run, but ... it was 1 run.    I've only seen videos or Wade's running in Rugby and I was impressed. 

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Yeah Wade is a free practice squad spot, it would be lunacy to put him anywhere else for now.

If he has he hands, I'd try him at kick returner for sure, possibly punt but he'd have to show great ball skills for that role.

He sure had an impressive 2nd gear there on his run.   Adrenaline or just natural ability?

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7 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Yeah Wade is a free practice squad spot, it would be lunacy to put him anywhere else for now.

If he has he hands, I'd try him at kick returner for sure, possibly punt but he'd have to show great ball skills for that role.

He sure had an impressive 2nd gear there on his run.   Adrenaline or just natural ability?

 

Look for his Rugby highlights 

 

natural ability

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