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Jets desperate at C, bring Ryan Kalil out of retirement (update: not going well)

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8 hours ago, Estro said:

If concussions weren't part of Morse's history, I would agree with you, but they are.......and the Bills gave a guy who's had 3 or 4 concussions in the last 3-4 years a record contract, including $19M in cash this season.  He then suffers a concussion in the first padded practice of the year......you can't call it bad luck if there was a track record of this specific injury, an injury that happens more frequently once you've had them.

 

Look I'm not saying I don't like the player......I do......I think he's much better than Kalil at this point.  I'm just pointing out that one is going to make $5 or $6M this year and the other is making $19M in cash this year.....and has yet another concussion.  I'm very concerned.

 

We should worry if/when Morse starts missing real games.  And they have a contingency plan or two.  The Jets basically will have to pray that Kalil somehow found the fountain of youth and good play after he retired and that's unlikely.

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Intersting, I just finished the Panthers All or Nothing season last night. And I remember watching him last season in games. Kalil looked done then.

 

I'm sure he'll bring his experience and knowledge and help get the right protections called at the line. But it'll be a different story when he physically needs to block Ed Oliver.

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22 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Intersting, I just finished the Panthers All or Nothing season last night. And I remember watching him last season in games. Kalil looked done then.

 

I'm sure he'll bring his experience and knowledge and help get the right protections called at the line. But it'll be a different story when he physically needs to block Ed Oliver.

Hopefully.

 

A lot of fans seem to be penciling opening day in as an easy victory for the Bills. I'm confused as to why. 

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16 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I don't think Jets line will be good by any means but awful? Nah.

 

They have some really good skill players so I expect them to have a pretty prolific passing offense. Still going with my prediction of 10 wins for them. 

SMH. Wins and losses start in the trenches. A “pretty prolific passing offense” as helmed by a 2nd yr starter who will be less able to run for his life, extend plays than Allen when things inevitably break down behind that line?  Where are these 10 wins coming from exactly? Darnold has a penchant for INT’s as it is, so add in no time for plays to develop and I’m scratching my head over how that’s supposed to go better than Buffalo’s WL prediction from you? :)

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29 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Intersting, I just finished the Panthers All or Nothing season last night. And I remember watching him last season in games. Kalil looked done then.

 

I'm sure he'll bring his experience and knowledge and help get the right protections called at the line. But it'll be a different story when he physically needs to block Ed Oliver.

 

If he was retired, it's almost a certainty he didn't keep up with any high level offseason conditioning/workouts.  Now he's even older, trying to expedite his football shape....and he was already declining.  I think he gets mauled.  He will be their Geoff Hangartner.

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15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

 

A lot of fans seem to be penciling opening day in as an easy victory for the Bills. I'm confused as to why. 

 

 

Which fans?  Please, name names.  I think what you're misinterpreting is that Bills fans are not looking at the game as a "sure loss" -- if anything it should be considered a toss up at this point.  And lo and behold, when I check the sportsbook the current line is Jets -3 -- a toss-up with home field advantage thrown in.

 

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31 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Hopefully.

 

A lot of fans seem to be penciling opening day in as an easy victory for the Bills. I'm confused as to why. 

I agree.  I have it penciled in as one of our five losses this season.  Jets are at home, with a new coaching staff (so no tape on their tendencies as a group), plus their roster is a little more talented than ours on paper.

11 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Which fans?  Please, name names. 

me

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16 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Which fans?  Please, name names.  I think what you're misinterpreting is that Bills fans are not looking at the game as a "sure loss" -- if anything it should be considered a toss up at this point.  And lo and behold, when I check the sportsbook the current line is Jets -3 -- a toss-up with home field advantage thrown in.

 

If I was a neutral fan, I won’t touch the Bills-Jets game.  IMO, they are basically the same team.  I could imagine anything happening.  I will say if we win that game, that would be an amazing sign for the rest of the season. 

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2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If I was a neutral fan, I won’t touch the Bills-Jets game.  IMO, they are basically the same team.  I could imagine anything happening.  I will say if we win that game, that would be an amazing sign for the rest of the season. 

I agree with this. Right now it’s just too hard to tell if either team has taken that step forward. 

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6 minutes ago, teef said:

I agree with this. Right now it’s just too hard to tell if either team has taken that step forward. 

I mean it’s game 1 so it’s silly to overreact either way.  But since it’s a home game, it’s more important to the Jets.

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4 minutes ago, teef said:

I agree with this. Right now it’s just too hard to tell if either team has taken that step forward. 

 

I think the game comes down to the quarterbacks - whichever one has the best support and has made the biggest gain in the offseason. 

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15 minutes ago, Dave Allen said:

 

I think the game comes down to the quarterbacks - whichever one has the best support and has made the biggest gain in the offseason. 

And coaching, and defense, and luck.

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2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

And coaching, and defense, and luck.

 

I think the game hinges on all of those, and also special teams.

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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Hopefully.

 

A lot of fans seem to be penciling opening day in as an easy victory for the Bills. I'm confused as to why. 

 

I dont know many folks calling it an "easy" victory, as much as seeing it as a winnable game.

 

As others have said, we're basically the same team. Except I like our coaching and OL better.

 

It's not a gimme, but it's definitely winnable.

 

Additions like Kalil as starting Center only help us.

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Texting with a Jets fan that seems to think our O line sucks, that Allen is struggling and that signing Kalil was the best thing to happen to Darnold, per this article:

 

https://www.nj.com/jets/2019/08/ryan-kalil-comes-out-of-retirement-to-join-jets-why-this-is-the-perfect-development-for-sam-darnold.html

 

Can the season just start already?? :beer:

 

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5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I dont know many folks calling it an "easy" victory, as much as seeing it as a winnable game.

 

Now week TWO, on the other hand...

 

Actually, I'm kidding.  Even with all of the Giants' issues they'll still probably be favored in that one.

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19 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Sometimes you pass

 

And sometimes you just f*** up.

 

12 hours ago, eball said:


Is this really a serious question? The Jets just literally begged an over-the-hill C to un-retire because their new GM sees what a shitshow there is at the position, while the Bills paid a young guy who despite some injury history has been a top C in the league. If Morse retires or is unavailable because of concussions it’s bad luck, not irresponsible. 

 

Pot meet kettle.   The Bills begged an over-the-hill QB to un-retire for a month during the season because their HC and GM thought Nathan Peterman could be a starting NFL QB.

 

Good teams make their own luck while bad teams (and their fans) make excuses.  It's been well known since CTE first made the news a few years ago that there's apparently some kind of mulltiplier effect involving concussions -- the incidence of getting them and their severity both seem to increase as an individual has more.  A play whose had 1 concussion is likely to have another one.  A player who's had three is extremely likely to have more -- and for the effects to be more severe and long lasting.  If a team isn't aware of this when a signing FA, then that's incompetence.  If they're aware of it and still do it, it's betting that the 50-1 shot is gonna win the race.

 

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

We should worry if/when Morse starts missing real games.  And they have a contingency plan or two.  The Jets basically will have to pray that Kalil somehow found the fountain of youth and good play after he retired and that's unlikely.

 

What's Bills' contingency plan at C if Morse can't play?  Bodine?   Groy?  Long? 

 

Kalil suffered a serious neck injury in 2017.  It's entirely possible that he wasn't fully recovered during the 2018.  The Bills are counting on Trent Murphy being finally fully recovered from his knee injury after his lousy 2018 aren't they? 

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1 minute ago, SoTier said:

Pot meet kettle.   The Bills begged an over-the-hill QB to un-retire for a month during the season because their HC and GM thought Nathan Peterman could be a starting NFL QB.

 

And ALL of us roundly criticized Beane for not taking better care of the QB room before the season began.  So again, I fail to see your point other than you love to rail on Bills fans despite claiming to be one.

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42 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Pot meet kettle.   The Bills begged an over-the-hill QB to un-retire for a month during the season because their HC and GM thought Nathan Peterman could be a starting NFL QB.

 

 

 

What's Bills' contingency plan at C if Morse can't play?  Bodine?   Groy?  Long? 

And Beane admitted they should have gotten DA here sooner and cut Peterman as soon as Barkley was ready and Josh was healthy. They admitted their mistake, will learn from it and are moving on. Not sure why you feel the need to continue to harp on it 

 

What is any teams contingency if a starter gets hurt? Hope the backup plays well

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3 hours ago, eball said:

 

Which fans?  Please, name names.  I think what you're misinterpreting is that Bills fans are not looking at the game as a "sure loss" -- if anything it should be considered a toss up at this point.  And lo and behold, when I check the sportsbook the current line is Jets -3 -- a toss-up with home field advantage thrown in.

 

Read the thread.

 

A lot of Jets are "dysfunctional", "a 5 win team". 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont know many folks calling it an "easy" victory, as much as seeing it as a winnable game.

 

As others have said, we're basically the same team. Except I like our coaching and OL better.

 

It's not a gimme, but it's definitely winnable.

 

Additions like Kalil as starting Center only help us.

It's def a winnable game. 

 

They are better offensively on paper. Their skill position players are better across the board, IMO.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

And Beane admitted they should have gotten DA here sooner and cut Peterman as soon as Barkley was ready and Josh was healthy. They admitted their mistake, will learn from it and are moving on. Not sure why you feel the need to continue to harp on it 

 

What is any teams contingency if a starter gets hurt? Hope the backup plays well

 

Yadda, yadda, yadda.  I'm tired of the excuses fans make for the inexcusable mistakes made by McDermott and Beane because one appears to be clueless about offensive football and the other appears to be just clueless.  Beane's admission only underscores his cluelessness because it misses the point that the mistake wasn't waiting for Anderson, it was naming Peterman starter in the first place, and then not bringing in another QB to replace him immediately.  :doh:

 

However the Kalil signing works out for the Jests, at least their HC and new GM were smart enough to realize that their current C isn't good enough and took steps to acquire what they hope is a better one before the start of the regular season.   That's called being proactive. 

 

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23 hours ago, DJB said:

We shouldn't really poke fun considering Morse in protocol 

Any word on the severity of the concussion?

 

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Sometimes I wonder if some "fans" would just be happier if we penciled in every game as a loss 

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7 hours ago, SoTier said:

What's Bills' contingency plan at C if Morse can't play?  Bodine?   Groy?  Long? 

 

Kalil suffered a serious neck injury in 2017.  It's entirely possible that he wasn't fully recovered during the 2018.  The Bills are counting on Trent Murphy being finally fully recovered from his knee injury after his lousy 2018 aren't they? 

 

The contingency plan is Long.  He was good in Washington, prompting the Jets to sign him to a good-sized deal.  He was injured last year but is healthy now.

 

As for Kalil, he started the final 5 games in 2017 and every game last year.  Suffice it to say he was healed and just bad because he's old and in decline.  There's no healing from that. 

 

And the Bills are hoping Trent Murphy is healed.  But they have Shaq Lawson if he's not.  However Murphy isn't old.

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8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If I was a neutral fan, I won’t touch the Bills-Jets game.  IMO, they are basically the same team.  I could imagine anything happening.  I will say if we win that game, that would be an amazing sign for the rest of the season. 

They are not the same team......having a sub par offensive line makes all the difference in the world

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