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The biggest difference between Nkemdiche & Oliver is the production. Each were ELITE recruits but Oliver may be the best freshman to ever play college football. His sophomore year was also dominant. His last year was about protecting his draft status as he had already cemented himself as a LOCK to go in the top 10. 

 

Nkemdiche was a part of (arguably) the shadiest recruiting class ever. He was a great recruit but there was some shady business going on. If memory serves me correctly he came in with Treadwell & Tunsil. That Ole Miss program was not one built on character. 

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In other news, the Cardinals’ high round draft picks of late have been slightly worse than this...giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5d3d2b8f687676624d

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9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The biggest difference between Nkemdiche & Oliver is the production. Each were ELITE recruits but Oliver may be the best freshman to ever play college football. His sophomore year was also dominant. His last year was about protecting his draft status as he had already cemented himself as a LOCK to go in the top 10. 

 

Nkemdiche was a part of (arguably) the shadiest recruiting class ever. He was a great recruit but there was some shady business going on. If memory serves me correctly he came in with Treadwell & Tunsil. That Ole Miss program was not one built on character. 

Agree

 

Oliver's tape his first two years scream ****** stud

 

Pardon my language

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1 hour ago, CommonCents said:

Going into his last season at Ole Miss he was touted as a top 3 pick and plenty talk of him going at 1. He was the top rated HS prospect. 

 

Many thought Oliver was a top 3 guy. Nkemdiche has more height than Oliver but I find both of these guys to be boom or bust head case type of players. Oliver has his chance to boom.

 

I said it back when Robert Nkemdiche was going through the draft process, the interviews are key for a coaching staff. From

what I have seen of Beane and McD, they have a much better understanding of what and who wins than recent Bills coaches. 

Better understanding based on what? They started Peterman? They traded for KB. They signed a CB that quit at half time. McD passed on MVP QB. Beane and McD have proven nothing except they can cut guys. They have made plenty of good moves and I'm as hopeful as anyone. I wanted QB Allen over Darnold and Rosen. I would have made a move up for DE Allen this year but they landed a possible great interior DL without giving up anything.  Please be realistic in your assessments.  This year will tell us alot.

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The guy is an athletic freak, I was so excited about him coming out of HS but knew something was up when he went to Ole Miss.

 

I hate being that guy, because I usually shoot it down. But I'd love to kick the tires on him and give him until next TC to prove himself as a professional.

 

I know he's a disaster, I think we all pick players that we think have that upside that we back with a bias. That's what I'm doing here.

 

I'm saying this knowing I'll probably be wrong and won't be mad if he turns it around somewhere else. I wouldn't blame any team for not touching him. He reminds me of Justin Blackmon. The spice thing bothered me, but he's just someone who you watch at times and he looks legit. So far in the NFL he hasn't.

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9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Better understanding based on what? They started Peterman? They traded for KB. They signed a CB that quit at half time. McD passed on MVP QB. Beane and McD have proven nothing except they can cut guys. They have made plenty of good moves and I'm as hopeful as anyone. I wanted QB Allen over Darnold and Rosen. I would have made a move up for DE Allen this year but they landed a possible great interior DL without giving up anything.  Please be realistic in your assessments.  This year will tell us alot.

 

I thought about this too. For every move that is touted as great they have made a bad one. I don't have enough time to track every GM. I just know they've made more mistakes than a lot on this board like to let on.

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I mean this guy is basically bust trash right?

right?

right?

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Meh

 

3 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:

How big of boots do we need to kick some tires?

 

No

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I thought about this too. For every move that is touted as great they have made a bad one. I don't have enough time to track every GM. I just know they've made more mistakes than a lot on this board like to let on.

It's all on Allen at this point. They passed on a MVP QB and now they have to prove their QB is capable of getting them to the playoffs. If Allen is even above average with Edmunds, Oliver, and White all playing at a high level this team will be fine. Still worried about a pass rush but if those guys continue to develop then McD and Beane will be here for a while. As much as I am hesitant to give praise of this regime (Beane created the cap crisis and McD let Gilmore walk then blew a 3dd round comp pick), I really like what they have done with the OL. They overpaid for Morse but if he is even close to a top 5 center they should be able to put together a solid line with the mix of veterans and youth on this team. I like bringing back Lee Smith as a blocking TE. Hope they couple that with getting rid of useless FB position. And I like they drafted a TE. 

I want them to be successful. I just wish more people on this board would be more objective about the moves made. Most of what a GM does is educated guesses anyways. If they knew what they were doing then there wouldn't be the term bust.

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

Who would we even release to kick the tires.......

 

I like ALL of the DT's we currently have

Agreed. I'm not cutting any of our top 4 for him... 

 

Not even close

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4 hours ago, CommonCents said:

Both guys were the premiere interior DL prospects for their respective class and they both managed to screw it up. I like McD’s approach with Oliver, I’m hoping it works.

 

Oliver is very much a boom or bust candidate much like the Ole Miss Spice Head.

 

I don't believe that to be the case at all.  Oliver never had issues with effort, he's a high motor guy with extreme athleticism.  I think people have this misconception of him because of his size.   Oliver's floor is at a decent player level his ceiling is All Pro.  

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5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Robert was a top notch prosect coming out of HS

 

His collegiate tape and last year left alot to he desired

 

I didn't have a top 30 grade on him

 

Nor did a lot of people. Was all projection with him. Oliver's college tape blows his out of the water. 

Arizona's first round picks since Pat Pete might be the sorriest collection of 1st round picks by any NFL team in that period. Wonder why they are a team with sub NFL talent? Their GM keeps busting with hisn1st rounders. 

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I'm shocked that souped-up Rakeem Nunez-Roches never worked out.

 

Shocked, I tells ya.

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3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

It's all on Allen at this point. They passed on a MVP QB and now they have to prove their QB is capable of getting them to the playoffs. If Allen is even above average with Edmunds, Oliver, and White all playing at a high level this team will be fine. Still worried about a pass rush but if those guys continue to develop then McD and Beane will be here for a while. As much as I am hesitant to give praise of this regime (Beane created the cap crisis and McD let Gilmore walk then blew a 3dd round comp pick), I really like what they have done with the OL. They overpaid for Morse but if he is even close to a top 5 center they should be able to put together a solid line with the mix of veterans and youth on this team. I like bringing back Lee Smith as a blocking TE. Hope they couple that with getting rid of useless FB position. And I like they drafted a TE. 

I want them to be successful. I just wish more people on this board would be more objective about the moves made. Most of what a GM does is educated guesses anyways. If they knew what they were doing then there wouldn't be the term bust.

Um, Beane didnt sign those guys, Riss did.  So that mess wasnt his,  He was just the one who cleaned it up.

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25 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

I'm shocked that souped-up Rakeem Nunez-Roches never worked out.

 

Shocked, I tells ya.

 

Here is the number one Nkemdiche hater folks. Blokes hated him that much he wouldn't even have used the Patriots 7th round pick on him.

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nor did a lot of people. Was all projection with him. Oliver's college tape blows his out of the water. 

Arizona's first round picks since Pat Pete might be the sorriest collection of 1st round picks by any NFL team in that period. Wonder why they are a team with sub NFL talent? Their GM keeps busting with hisn1st rounders. 

@Chemical, this is what a disastrous draft looks like. Understand now?

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18 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

@Chemical, this is what a disastrous draft looks like. Understand now?

 

It is a seriously awful list of 1st rounders since Keim became GM in 2013. In fairness to Keim he has a decent record in the 2nd and 3rd rounds (Mathieu, John Brown, Christian Kirk, Marcus Golden, Buda Baker, David Johnson) but his 1sy round drafting has royally sucked. 

 

2013: Jonathan Cooper, G - spent 3 year on the team, traded to New England, now on 7th NFL team in 7 seasons. 

 

2014: Deone Bucannon, S - hybrid S/LB who spent 4 years playing numerous positions badly and being consistently graded as one of the worst players in the NFL. Signed with Arians and Bowles in Tampa as a FA this offseason. 

 

2015: DJ Humphries, T - the lone success. Started immediately at RT where he was very good, flipped to the left where he has remained serviceable if occasionally overmatched. 

 

2016: Robert Nkemdiche, DT - enough said. 

 

2017: Haason Reddick, OLB - yet another hybrid they considered worth a 1st round pick. Has failed to establish himself as a starter has been on the trade block for a year. Unfortunately others teams have access to his tape.

 

2018: Josh Rosen, QB - drafted a QB, put nothing around him. Failed. Given up on and traded at a loss after a year. 

 

2019: Kyler Murray, QB - I think Murray has a chance but like Bucannon and Reddick this is a punt on a guy who doesn't even nearly meet the prototype for the position in the NFL. 

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3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

It's all on Allen at this point. They passed on a MVP QB and now they have to prove their QB is capable of getting them to the playoffs. If Allen is even above average with Edmunds, Oliver, and White all playing at a high level this team will be fine. Still worried about a pass rush but if those guys continue to develop then McD and Beane will be here for a while. As much as I am hesitant to give praise of this regime (Beane created the cap crisis and McD let Gilmore walk then blew a 3dd round comp pick), I really like what they have done with the OL. They overpaid for Morse but if he is even close to a top 5 center they should be able to put together a solid line with the mix of veterans and youth on this team. I like bringing back Lee Smith as a blocking TE. Hope they couple that with getting rid of useless FB position. And I like they drafted a TE. 

I want them to be successful. I just wish more people on this board would be more objective about the moves made. Most of what a GM does is educated guesses anyways. If they knew what they were doing then there wouldn't be the term bust.

🤔 hmmm.. Lemme see.. To Hell with your Hate wishes! Ozzie Newsome, Gil Brandt, Bill Polian and EVERY OTHER GM in pro sports have made misjudgments on college players. NO ONE is immune to inaccurately assessing the future of 20 year old privileged jocks. 

I just wish more ‘people’ on this board would be more objective about the moves made. And not pretend to be some condescending yet cravenly witless negative Nancy’s.

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Hopefully he gets his life and career back on track, but he hasn't been the same since he fell out of that hotel window. 

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13 minutes ago, ALF said:

Yeah, I know he escaped with minor injuries. I'm just talking about mentally. Maybe he got his hands on some bad ish in college or maybe this has just been him all along? Maybe he's just another guy with talent, but is lazy? He just hasn't seemed the same since that to me. Maybe his is another story that will play out along the lines of VY. 

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5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

For every move that is touted as great they have made a bad one

 

I disagree.  In my opinion the good outweighs the bad by a wide margin, and none of the "bad" has involved significant draft capital or cap space.  And if you want to gripe about the free agents Beane signed going into 2018 I'll say, again, that those were simply roster fillers in a known year of transition.

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8 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

A lot of folks thought he'd be a great pro. Unfortunate he couldn't commit himself. Thank goodness we didn't draft him

He was one of the most dominant and physically gifted defensive tackles Ive watched on tape.  Literally rag dolled offensive lineman.

 

The big issue coming out was front offices thought he didnt love football enough.  Guess they were right.  Complete waste of talent.  

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On 7/27/2019 at 10:50 PM, CommonCents said:

Not trying to get any hate cats out of their litter boxes but this is the guy Oliver reminded me of. Top 3 lock, not so much and attitude questions. I’m not down on Oliver but I’m weary.

 

I’m calling him Little Oliver until he gets a solo sack. 

Yeah but can Robert NK do this?

 

https://binged.it/336x0fU

 

 

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