gjv001 276 Posted July 23 Took the fall for letting Philadelphia jump Houston in the ist round of the draft and take the OT coveted by Bill O'Brien. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sunshower 1,159 Posted July 23 I don't think the Pegulas would have brought him back if he was truly racist. Welcome back I say. ✌ 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuSeYiN_NYC 279 Posted July 23 This is why I come to these forums. To see the feedback from you guys. Cuz idk who the hell this guy is... 1 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunnerBill 6,765 Posted July 23 21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I guess. He was there for one year--the season they went to the playoffs. Not sure what moves he could have been involved in in a few months in the Bills FO to have had any impact in 2017. And was hired by Beane (after himself interviewing here for Beane's job) so AFTER that year's FA and draft. He is a well respected personnel guy but I think it is a stretch to say he "helped" the team make the playoffs. He much more "helped" their 2018 draft - the Josh Allen / Tremaine Edmunds e v a l.... even though he was gone before the draft. My only worry about this is where he fits. He was the Director of Player Personnel. Dan Morgan has that job now. So is he reporting to Morgan? If so is he senior to the Malik Boyd (Dir Pro Personnel) and Terrence Gray (Dir College Scouting)? Or is he in fact not reporting to Morgan but directly to Beane and Schoen? I hate messy organisational structures that create ambiguity about who is accountable for what and to who... my experience across 3 professions is that never works well. My instinct is that the Bills think that Morgan and Schoen are likely to get looks elsewhere next off-season if Allen and Edmunds take a step and the Bills 2019 class looks good out of the gate. They have got Gaine back in the building and if either of those two roles (essentially the 2nd and 3rd in command) become available after 2019 he will seamlessly move into that job. I just hope until then how he fits into the rest of the structure is very clearly defined. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matter2003 1,777 Posted July 23 Great move...Bills have a veritable all star front office team and added a great piece back to it again. This will pay dividends shortly... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewEra 2,113 Posted July 23 Nice. I was wondering if this would happen after He was let go. 👍🏻👍🏻 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Florida Bills Fanatic 199 Posted July 23 With the talented young people that the Bills have in their FO, it is just a matter of time before some of them move to other teams for promotional opportunities. Keeping them all for this season will provide the Bills with flexibility to fill future openings when they occur. It also won't hurt to have another capable guy to help prepare for the 2020 draft ( since the Bills will be picking later than in the recent few years ). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eball 5,398 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, MacGyver said: I remember when ppl were saying this when Tom Modrak was hired. That never really worked out. How about you go build a drone out of bubble gum and matchsticks and leave us alone, ok? 2 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoloinOhio 22,059 Posted July 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, MacGyver said: I remember when ppl were saying this when Tom Modrak was hired. That never really worked out. Strange comment imo. Do you know who else is in their FO? I’m not speaking of this move in isolation when i say that it is a really good group. Several current or future GM candidates and/or experience: in addition to Gaine —, Joe Schoen, Malik Boyd, Terrence Gray, Dan Morgan, Lake Dawson, Dennis Hickey Edited July 23 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacGyver 216 Posted July 23 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Strange comment imo. Do you know who else is in their FO? I’m not speaking of this move in isolation when i say that it is a really good group. Several current or future GM candidates and/or experience: in addition to Gaine —, Joe Schoen, Malik Boyd, Terrence Gray, Dan Morgan, Lake Dawson, Dennis Hickey It's not a strange comment. Bills fans said the same thing about the Donahoe & Modrak dynamic duo. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John from Riverside 4,715 Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, MacGyver said: It's not a strange comment. Bills fans said the same thing about the Donahoe & Modrak dynamic duo. and?.......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billsfan_34 757 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, JoeF said: Kudos to the Pegulas for continuing to invest in the personnel department. Bills have a top notch scouting staff. Glad to see Gaine landed back in a comfortable place. It all starts at the top, and they are starting to understand this. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoloinOhio 22,059 Posted July 23 3 minutes ago, MacGyver said: It's not a strange comment. Bills fans said the same thing about the Donahoe & Modrak dynamic duo. In my opinion, it is, because “Bills fans” aren’t the ones saying it. The Bills have a well respected FO. It’s ok to accept this. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacGyver 216 Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: and?.......... Exactly, had no beneficial effect on the teams success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John from Riverside 4,715 Posted July 23 Just now, MacGyver said: Exactly, had no beneficial effect on the teams success. I think the proof is in the draft picks To me....I see a lot of good picks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacGyver 216 Posted July 23 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: In my opinion, it is, because “Bills fans” aren’t the ones saying it. The Bills have a well respected FO. It’s ok to accept this. So they'll win games now right? Not trying to pick a fight, but c'mon, lets not continue to be such a gullible fan base. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John from Riverside 4,715 Posted July 23 1 minute ago, MacGyver said: So they'll win games now right? Not trying to pick a fight, but c'mon, lets not continue to be such a gullible fan base. Sir I will be VERY dissapointed if we dont win games this year Remember.....we just went through a massive rebiuld....last year's team had hardly any talent.........we fixed that in the offseason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billsfan_34 757 Posted July 23 7 minutes ago, MacGyver said: It's not a strange comment. Bills fans said the same thing about the Donahoe & Modrak dynamic duo. No one said they were a dynamic duo but ppl did feel it was sound to have a president of football operations along with a GM. We are far removed from that era and now many are starting to see stability and solid FO additions. They have also seen 2 really good to possibly great drafts with some A plus FA signings i.e. Poyer and Hyde come to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoloinOhio 22,059 Posted July 23 Just now, MacGyver said: So they'll win games now right? Not trying to pick a fight, but c'mon, lets not continue to be such a gullible fan base. Is it really being “gullible” to admit they have a good FO? Are the national reporters who state this, or fans of other teams who say this, gullible or just understand the experienced and developing talent of their personnel group is strong? I don’t think I follow .... which is fine. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacGyver 216 Posted July 23 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Is it really being “gullible” to admit they have a good FO? Are the national reporters who state this, or fans of other teams who say this, gullible or just understand the experienced and developing talent of their personnel group is strong? I don’t think I follow .... which is fine. It's the meaningless feel good time of year, stories like this do nothing but raise false hope IMO. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoloinOhio 22,059 Posted July 23 Just now, MacGyver said: It's the meaningless feel good time of year, stories like this do nothing but raise false hope IMO. It’s not a “story.” It’s a personnel move. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacGyver 216 Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: No one said they were a dynamic duo but ppl did feel it was sound to have a president of football operations along with a GM. We are far removed from that era and now many are starting to see stability and solid FO additions. They have also seen 2 really good to possibly great drafts with some A plus FA signings i.e. Poyer and Hyde come to mind. Whaley is responsible for Poyer & Hyde. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dneveu 549 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, MacGyver said: I remember when ppl were saying this when Tom Modrak was hired. That never really worked out. Was he hired before or after donahoe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billsfan_34 757 Posted July 23 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MacGyver said: Whaley is responsible for Poyer & Hyde. 10 minutes ago, MacGyver said: Whaley is responsible for Poyer & Hyde. I didn’t remember it going down that way, if so, my bad. Beane hired Bills GM 2017 Hyde picked up in FA , Bills 2017 🤷♂️ Edited July 23 by billsfan_34 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
