stuvian Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29089/tesla-enters-whistleblower-hell including actions against workers in Buffalo Edited July 23, 2019 by stuvian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 11 hours ago, stuvian said: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29089/tesla-enters-whistleblower-hell including actions against workers in Buffalo well that sucks .... At the risk of layman’s misinterpretation, the allegations appear similar to claims made to the National Labour Relations Board in June on behalf of employees at Tesla’s Buffalo factory, that the company interfered with ex-employees’ efforts to find work. Business Insider quotes the redacted lawsuit, in which the plaintiffs allege Tesla “intentionally interfered with efforts to seek employment with other employers in retaliation for outspoken union support.” In Count III, Hansen further claims Musk and Tesla’s management actively concealed and participated in misconduct including spying on employees -- illegal surveillance is also alleged in the aforementioned Buffalo case -- improper contracts, and thefts being orchestrated by organized crime. Twice over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 13 hours ago, stuvian said: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29089/tesla-enters-whistleblower-hell including actions against workers in Buffalo Wonder if that would include the thousands of workers that were promised, yet, never will be hired . A $750,000,000 warehouse is basically what that place is and pretty much everyone knew that’s what it would become, contrary to Coumo’s promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) Elon is trying to move society forward and all people can do is B word about it, typical. Unions are a cancer. Edited July 23, 2019 by MacGyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, I am the egg man said: Wonder if that would include the thousands of workers that were promised, yet, never will be hired . A $750,000,000 warehouse is basically what that place is and pretty much everyone knew that’s what it would become, contrary to Coumo’s promise. Based upon all the smaller facilities WNY has lost over the years, it would make one helluva bowling alley. 500-600 lanes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 47 minutes ago, MacGyver said: Elon is trying to move society forward and all people can do is B word about it, typical. Unions are a cancer. Unions are a balance against unfettered employer power. Just because some got greedy doesn't mean they don't serve a purpose. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MacGyver said: Elon is trying to move society forward and all people can do is B word about it, typical. Unions are a cancer. Unions are most certainly not a cancer. Their main problem is that they make it too hard to fire a crappy worker. Grievances, 10 strike and your out discipline plans, only willing to work at a certain station or certain job, things like that. It would seem obvious to me that a well run union would be open to easily getting rid of the "bad" workers. It would improve the operations of their companies, potentially leading to more revenues/profits, higher pay/benefits, less offshoring, more jobs. Instead, they are mostly too consumed with keeping their dues high, to the detriment of their "good" worker members. Unions are a good idea, that is often executed very poorly and with some obvious corruption. As far as this article goes. I studied unions at undergrad, took many labor law courses there as well as in grad school. I never came across a scenario where a company was punishing someone for talking unionization while they were working there AFTER they were no longer employed there. I'm not sure if that is illegal or not, really. Certainly it would be if they were working there and were retaliated against, but AFTER, that's a different animal that I have not heard of before. Edited July 23, 2019 by Mark80 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Mark80 said: Unions are most certainly not a cancer. Their main problem is that they make it too hard to fire a crappy worker. Grievances, 10 strike and your out discipline plans, only willing to work at a certain station or certain job, things like that. It would seem obvious to me that a well run union would be open to easily getting rid of the "bad" workers. It would improve the operations of their companies, potentially leading to more revenues/profits, higher pay/benefits, less offshoring, more jobs. Instead, they are mostly too consumed with keeping their dues high, to the detriment of their "good" worker members. Unions are a good idea, that is often executed very poorly and with some obvious corruption. Yes, hence they are a cancer. They have been corrupted, no longer work as intended, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, MacGyver said: Yes, hence they are a cancer. They have been corrupted, no longer work as intended, etc. No, it does not mean that at all. It means SOME are run badly. There are plenty of decent ones out there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 hours ago, MacGyver said: Elon is trying to move society forward and all people can do is B word about it, typical. Unions are a cancer. Gearing up to vote for Trump again, huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Gearing up to vote for Trump again, huh? There is really no other option unless you want open borders, medicare for all (including all the illegal mexicans, africans, muslims, yadda) no more cows and planes, slave reparations, etc, which all sound like incredibly terrible/insane and economically detrimental policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Unions are a balance against unfettered employer power. Just because some got greedy doesn't mean they don't serve a purpose. Personally, I think talent, ambition and marketable skills are more important... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: Personally, I think talent, ambition and marketable skills are more important... Yeah, if you work for yourself, maybe. Busting your ass for a boss only makes them rich. You get to keep your job with maybe a cut in salary here or increased medical deductible there. Eventually they figure out they can replace you off-shore. That's the deal when it's just you and your boss. They like to paint pretty pictures about talent and ambition getting you ahead, but really you're just toilet paper. Edited July 23, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Are they even producing anything there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Gearing up to vote for Trump again, huh? That really grinds tour gears huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Mark80 said: Unions are most certainly not a cancer. Their main problem is that they make it too hard to fire a crappy worker. Grievances, 10 strike and your out discipline plans, only willing to work at a certain station or certain job, things like that. It would seem obvious to me that a well run union would be open to easily getting rid of the "bad" workers. It would improve the operations of their companies, potentially leading to more revenues/profits, higher pay/benefits, less offshoring, more jobs. Instead, they are mostly too consumed with keeping their dues high, to the detriment of their "good" worker members. Unions are a good idea, that is often executed very poorly and with some obvious corruption. As far as this article goes. I studied unions at undergrad, took many labor law courses there as well as in grad school. I never came across a scenario where a company was punishing someone for talking unionization while they were working there AFTER they were no longer employed there. I'm not sure if that is illegal or not, really. Certainly it would be if they were working there and were retaliated against, but AFTER, that's a different animal that I have not heard of before. ...that my friend is DEAD ON.....we are a Union shop....and they protect the dregs because they are dues paying members......I think the Electrical Union(IBEW) is the only one left which still maintains the archaic "sign the book" system....many others allow you to find your own work......if we need 4 electricians and the next four are comprised of 2 good ones and 2 skanks, I have to take all 4 and lay off the skanks the next day (we call it "spinning them")......if travelers (electricians from other locals ) come into our local jurisdiction, I can hire them only if our local is at full employment.....and the skanks know I have to lay off traveler(s) who could be really good before them, so the skanks get skankier because they know they're untouchable...effed up....you don't think it is an embarrassment when the customer's Project Manager calls up about skanks coasting?...purge the garbage dammit.... Edited July 23, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 hours ago, MacGyver said: Elon is trying to move society forward and all people can do is B word about it, typical. Unions are a cancer. Dude's a crony capitalist (aka a crapitalist) that sucks up corporate welfare promising big ideas but delivering small, all the while building up his own cult of personality 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Yeah, if you work for yourself, maybe. Busting your ass for a boss only makes them rich. You get to keep your job with maybe a cut in salary here or increased medical deductible there. Eventually they figure out they can replace you off-shore. That's the deal when it's just you and your boss. They like to paint pretty pictures about talent and ambition getting you ahead, but really you're just toilet paper. They should be punished with a UBI paid by them. Either work & pay them or automate, ship jobs off and if they want their product to be sold back in the States... Then pay society they are ***** -ing over. Businesses, corporations shouldn't be "opioid" dealers and kill their customers. Edited July 24, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 9 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Yeah, if you work for yourself, maybe. Busting your ass for a boss only makes them rich. You get to keep your job with maybe a cut in salary here or increased medical deductible there. Eventually they figure out they can replace you off-shore. That's the deal when it's just you and your boss. They like to paint pretty pictures about talent and ambition getting you ahead, but really you're just toilet paper. I always think "I'm working for myself" even when I have an employer. You're ultimately your own boss if you have marketable skills and a willingness to embrace a "You Incorporated" career path. Talent gives you freedom to choose where, when, how, etc. Especially in a sub-4% unemployment world. If you're talented and don't like your boss, leave. It will work out fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Lurker said: I always think "I'm working for myself" even when I have an employer. You're ultimately your own boss if you have marketable skills and a willingness to embrace a "You Incorporated" career path. Talent gives you freedom to choose where, when, how, etc. Especially in a sub-4% unemployment world. If you're talented and don't like your boss, leave. It will work out fine... I'm very fortunate to have been able to take the freelance route after 25 years of workin' for the man. Actually radio used to be a great job but went to complete s##t when ownership caps were lifted and deregulation kicked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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