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Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?

Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?  

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  1. 1. Who's Most Responsible for Pats* Dynasty: Brady or Belichick?



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1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said:

I’ll give you partial points. They have tried to draft his successor and JG is as close as they’ve come. We’ll learn more about him this season.

JG is the only guy you could legitimately say was drafted as a potential Brady replacement and he’s turned out very well, so far, especially for a second round pick.

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5 minutes ago, VADC Bills said:

He was considered a great defensive coordinator not a head coach. He led the Browns to a playoff birth after losing seasons followed up by another losing season.

The genius of BB was having enough sense to draft Brady in the 6th.He was not a winning head coach until Brady started. Once Brady arrived it afforded BB the opportunity to turn his ship around. 

 

It is my opinion that you could have had Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi and Bill Parcells on the same staff for Belichick's Browns teams, and they still wouldn't have gone to the playoffs.

 

No coach is good enough to win without talent.

 

Not every coach is good enough to lead a dynasty in today's NFL, even with an elite QB.  There are plenty of teams over the past twenty years who've had an elite QB who've never done squat, let alone go to the Super Bowl nine times.

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24 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

And, Brady has shown he is a successful QB. He would be elsewhere. Where else has Belichick been a HC? How successful was he? 

 

You’re the one touting your man, your disdain for Brady is because of all the beat downs HE has given this team.

 

I can’t argue with illogic. You either see it or you don’t. You don’t see it or you’re playing your natural troll game. 

 

Not sure how you can say he would be successful elsewhere. Different team, different coach different owner etc. Too many variables 

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There wouldn't be a dynasty without the 2 of them.

 

Belichick isn't going to 9 Super Bowls with another QB and Tom might have had trouble getting on the field as a 6th round pick in a different situation.

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1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Not sure how you can say he would be successful elsewhere. Different team, different coach different owner etc. Too many variables 

GOAT

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1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Not sure how you can say he would be successful elsewhere. Different team, different coach different owner etc. Too many variables 

Would you say the same of the other elite QB's or are you implying Brady is simply a product of his environment?

 

He doesn't have elite physical talent, but he's an elite QB. Best to ever play IMO. Would Joe Montana, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Favre/Rodgers not have been successful elsewhere? 

 

ELITE QB's will win a lot of games over the course of their career. An OLD Montana took a "decent" Chiefs team to the AFC Championship. I liked the results of that game, but the point stands.

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25 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Would you say the same of the other elite QB's or are you implying Brady is simply a product of his environment?

 

He doesn't have elite physical talent, but he's an elite QB. Best to ever play IMO. Would Joe Montana, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Favre/Rodgers not have been successful elsewhere? 

 

ELITE QB's will win a lot of games over the course of their career. An OLD Montana took a "decent" Chiefs team to the AFC Championship. I liked the results of that game, but the point stands.

 

Montana, Elway, Unitas, Favre and Rodgers combined to win 9 Super Bowls.   Rodgers being the only one who won in "today's" NFL.

 

Brady is the GOAT (in my opinion).  But the fact that guys like Rodgers (1), Roethlisberger (2), Stafford (look at his stats before you say he doesn't belong in the conversation; he does) (0) and Rivers (0) have NOT been part of dynasties solidifies the fact that Bill Belichick is, between him and Brady, the most responsible for the Patriots* dynasty.

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2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Montana, Elway, Unitas, Favre and Rodgers combined to win 9 Super Bowls.   Rodgers being the only one who won in "today's" NFL.

 

Brady is the GOAT (in my opinion).  But the fact that guys like Rodgers (1), Roethlisberger (2), Stafford (look at his stats before you say he doesn't belong in the conversation; he does) (0) and Rivers (0) have NOT been part of dynasties solidifies the fact that Bill Belichick is, between him and Brady, the most responsible for the Patriots* dynasty.

Great point, although I strongly disagree about Matt Stafford.

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4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Montana, Elway, Unitas, Favre and Rodgers combined to win 9 Super Bowls.   Rodgers being the only one who won in "today's" NFL.

 

Brady is the GOAT (in my opinion).  

Brady is the GOAT IMO as well. I was responding to the poster who insinuated that Brady may have failed elsewhere. That line of thinking comes from the false narrative that Brady is a product of the system. Nobody would say such a thing about John Elway.

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11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Please just look at these stats.  Ridiculous.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm

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I don't want to get too sidetracked, but those are not Hall of Fame stats.  Stafford is basically Eli Manning without the Super Bowl rings.  Significantly less impressive stats than guys like Roethlisberger, Russ Wilson and even Philip Rivers.  I'm talking about things like YPA and TD/Int. ratio.  And of course, Stafford just doesn't win games, or at least, not very many.

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6 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don't want to get too sidetracked, but those are not Hall of Fame stats.  Stafford is basically Eli Manning without the Super Bowl rings.  Significantly less impressive stats than guys like Roethlisberger, Russ Wilson and even Philip Rivers.  I'm talking about things like YPA and TD/Int. ratio.  And of course, Stafford just doesn't win games, or at least, not very many.

 

That's actually my point.  You put Stafford on a team with Bill Belichick as the HC/GM ... hell ... you replace Brady with Stafford ... and there's still a dynasty in NE.  Perhaps not 9 Super Bowls with 6 wins; but multiple wins.

 

Stafford's zero Super Bowls, Rivers' zero Super Bowls and Roethlisberger's two .... it's because they didn't have stellar coaching/GM performance.

 

I think it just underscores the importance of solid brass and coaching, which was the point of the poll/original question.

 

I think it solidifies the fact that Bill Belichick is mostly responsible for the dynasty ... even though he couldn't have done it without Brady.

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42 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Montana, Elway, Unitas, Favre and Rodgers combined to win 9 Super Bowls.   Rodgers being the only one who won in "today's" NFL.

 

Brady is the GOAT (in my opinion).  But the fact that guys like Rodgers (1), Roethlisberger (2), Stafford (look at his stats before you say he doesn't belong in the conversation; he does) (0) and Rivers (0) have NOT been part of dynasties solidifies the fact that Bill Belichick is, between him and Brady, the most responsible for the Patriots* dynasty.

I’m sorry, the fact that Brady is the GOAT proves your point how?

 

Stafford? Stats?

 

youre drinking again

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4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I’m sorry, the fact that Brady is the GOAT proves your point how?

 

Stafford? Stats?

 

youre drinking again

 

I'm not going to report you.  I'm going to beat you.

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28 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

This would seem to indicate that a QB CAN indeed go from the 53% +/- completion range up into the mid-60’s. I read that was impossible....somewhere.....

 

I did too but and had the person on ignore but the claim was so outrageous I saw it anyways because someone quoted it.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I think it just underscores the importance of solid brass and coaching, which was the point of the poll/original question.

 

 

Solid brass balls are needed yes to cheat so much and claim you did not need it to win.  If this was a divorce any judge not on TV would give a divorce on grounds of infidelity.

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3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I'm not going to report you.  I'm going to beat you.

 

Will this be a PPV cage event? Where do I sign up? 

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20 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

That's actually my point.  You put Stafford on a team with Bill Belichick as the HC/GM ... hell ... you replace Brady with Stafford ... and there's still a dynasty in NE.  Perhaps not 9 Super Bowls with 6 wins; but multiple wins.

 

Stafford's zero Super Bowls, Rivers' zero Super Bowls and Roethlisberger's two .... it's because they didn't have stellar coaching/GM performance.

 

I think it just underscores the importance of solid brass and coaching, which was the point of the poll/original question.

 

I think it solidifies the fact that Bill Belichick is mostly responsible for the dynasty ... even though he couldn't have done it without Brady.

 

8 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I’m sorry, the fact that Brady is the GOAT proves your point how?

 

Stafford? Stats?

 

youre drinking again

 

The two of you need to do Russian Roulette but with shot glasses of vodka and random shots will be laced with cyanide. 

 

I have not seen so much arguing since last time I was called in to help moderate an argument between a couple who had divorced.  I told them I had no solution other than get remarried.

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Will this be a PPV cage event? Where do I sign up? 

 

One way for SDS to earn money for site.

37 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

This would seem to indicate that a QB CAN indeed go from the 53% +/- completion range up into the mid-60’s. I read that was impossible....somewhere.....

 

More important is he went from being injured to being available for every game.

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7 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Will this be a PPV cage event? Where do I sign up? 

 

LIVE and in person, only.  It won't last long.

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4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

LIVE and in person, only.  It won't last long.

 

Wait...this isn’t a restroom at a highway rest area thing, is it?  :sick:

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4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Wait...this isn’t a restroom at a highway rest area thing, is it?  :sick:

 

Don't be silly.  That's way before dinner.

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1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Don't be silly.  That's way before dinner.

I would hope it would be after dinner and flowers, show some class

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9 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I would hope it would be after dinner and flowers, show some class

 

Where I come from, we EARN things like dinner and flowers!

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On 7/15/2019 at 12:37 AM, Gugny said:

Obviously, both BB and Brady are largely responsible for the dynasty.  

 

But who do you think is MOST responsible?

 

 

 

Belichick, because he drafted Brady.

 

Kidding. Brady. Belichick's terrific, but Brady is the main reason, IMO.

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