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No Punt Game - Reality vs. Myth

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What myth? It was a game where neither team punted. I don’t recall it being that big of a deal even during that season. Just a fun, early season match up between two good teams. (It was the Super Bowl match up Chris Berman predicted for years...I’ll give you that.)

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2 hours ago, eball said:

 

One of the reasons the no-punt game was so great is because it was between two of the established premiere teams of the era.  Think of how many HOFers played in that game between the two teams?  It really is a classic.

 

 

I watched the game at an old Bills bar, Grevey's in Falls Church, VA and by the 4th quarter, the cooks came out of the kitchen to watch...it was that kind of game.

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32 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What myth? It was a game where neither team punted. I don’t recall it being that big of a deal even during that season. Just a fun, early season match up between two good teams. (It was the Super Bowl match up Chris Berman predicted for years...I’ll give you that.)

 

Agreed.  I watched the No Punt game so there is nothing mythological about it to me.  Just one simple fact: it was the first game in the modern era with no punts. 

 

It was a really fun game to watch with the lead going back and forth.  Next to The Comeback, this might be the game I enjoyed most in my many years of Bills fandom.  

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8 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Agreed.  I watched the No Punt game so there is nothing mythological about it to me.  Just one simple fact: it was the first game in the modern era with no punts. 

 

It was a really fun game to watch with the lead going back and forth.  Next to The Comeback, this might be the game I enjoyed most in my many years of Bills fandom.  

it was definitely one of the top 5 Bills games that I can recall.  

 

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2 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Getting in my wayback machine, but wasn't it played at Candlestick when there was still a baseball field cut in the turf?  Maybe they played their entire seasons with it that way.  I think defenses had problems playing on that field as the footing could be real dicey for reactive coverage or pass rush moves.  Almost like playing on a slippery, winter weather field where the offense has the advantage.  As the OP rewatched the entire game, did it seem to play that way?

Yes and no. The 4th and 4 play was on dirt and Trumpy mentioned that. It may have been an advantage for Lofton on that play. As for the rest of the game I didn't see how it affected play. The Hanks interception of Kelly was on dirt too and he made a nice break on the ball.

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Yup, no punting, the rest is frankly irrelevant in that it’s entire reason for being brought up is that it was a, now what for it, ... a no punt game...

just sayin,

 

Go Bills!!

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50 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What myth? It was a game where neither team punted. I don’t recall it being that big of a deal even during that season. Just a fun, early season match up between two good teams. (It was the Super Bowl match up Chris Berman predicted for years...I’ll give you that.)

The myth is that there were no punts because the offenses couldn't be stopped. That isn't true. The defenses made plays. It was just so odd. Like I said the turnovers were mostly good plays by the defense on a day where both defenses were getting gashed.

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8 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I also watched the game again recently. I was probably 8 years old or so when it originally happened. 

 

The OP is right. The game was tremendously sloppy for two teams who didn’t punt. There were a lot of turnovers. I also felt as though from an athletic standpoint that the Bills defense wasn’t very good in the secondary during their SB years. 

 

I also watched the AFC title game in Miami before they lost to the Cowboys and despite winning, Kelly played horribly, the Bills left them in the game, and easily could have won that game by 30. Pretty easy to see the carry over in why they got steamrolled by the Cowboys

I watched that one too. Kelly was coming off injury and he played tough but sloppy. Marino played worse. Smith had an amazing sack on a 3 step drop early in the game where he split the LG and LT. Just an incredible play. 

Shula and Miami just choked at home. 

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15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The no punt game was before my time but I thought Rams - Chiefs was overhyped.

 

I don't even remember the hype surrounding it. I just remember the enjoyment I got from watching it live.

It was really awesome to watch two prolific offenses battle it out. Was not disappointed.

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53 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I watched that one too. Kelly was coming off injury and he played tough but sloppy. Marino played worse. Smith had an amazing sack on a 3 step drop early in the game where he split the LG and LT. Just an incredible play. 

Shula and Miami just choked at home. 

Correct. Kelly was coming back too early from a bad knee injury... so bad that they designed their entire passing game around screen and swing passes that day to keep the rush off of Kelly.

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8 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

I don't even remember the hype surrounding it. I just remember the enjoyment I got from watching it live.

It was really awesome to watch two prolific offenses battle it out. Was not disappointed.

 

I wanted the suspense that someone might be stopped at some point. If I just wanted lots of scoring and lots of points I'd watch basketball. I don't. Because it sucks. 

 

EDIT: Again the above refers to Rams - Chiefs not the no punt game which was before my time and I have never watched. 

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13 hours ago, Ronin said:

 

I'll tell you what was crazy, we were at the game and afterwards on the radio they were raking Young across the coals talking about how he'd never amount to anything.  We're just laughing thinking what on earth these people were watching, dude had 450 passing yards, mostly to Mike Sherrard and John Taylor, another 50 rushing, half as much as their RBs, 3 TDs.  The rest of course is history but we were literally laughing our asses off.  

 

 

 

I was at this game too, and what you are describing does not surprise me.

49'er fans were furious when the team traded Joe Montana, and many of them would not give Steve Young any benefit of the doubt.

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26 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I was at this game too, and what you are describing does not surprise me.

49'er fans were furious when the team traded Joe Montana, and many of them would not give Steve Young any benefit of the doubt.

 

Yup, that's exactly what it was.  And funnier yet because Montana was so obviously done by that point.  

 

GREAT game tho, outstanding time.  We hooked up with a group of Bills fans in the lots, some of the best tailgating next to Rich.  

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4 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:

I watched the game at an old Bills bar, Grevey's in Falls Church, VA and by the 4th quarter, the cooks came out of the kitchen to watch...it was that kind of game.

Grevey's is closed now. It was my football bar from when I moved from Buffalo to Northern Virginia.  I did not even have a TV until Kelly's first winning season but that had more to with me getting married and my wife wanting a TV.

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30 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Grevey's is closed now. It was my football bar from when I moved from Buffalo to Northern Virginia. 

Yup, a Five Guys now.  Kevin Grevey is sitting poolside some place nice now, sipping a cool drink, thanks to Bills fans.

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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I wanted the suspense that someone might be stopped at some point. If I just wanted lots of scoring and lots of points I'd watch basketball. I don't. Because it sucks. 

 

EDIT: Again the above refers to Rams - Chiefs not the no punt game which was before my time and I have never watched. 

 

There can be plenty of tense moments without low scoring games... And there were big defensive plays made too... Something like 6 or 7 turnovers forced by defenses that kept putting the pressure on the other to go separate themselves. 

When offenses are that good, it's hard for anyone to stop them. The whole idea that people don't play defense in basketball is also a big myth... especially for those that think college basketball is somehow superior due to better defense than the pros. It's not like all those great defenders in college suddenly forgot how to play once they got to the NBA. However, they suddenly started playing against the best athletes in the world instead of random amateurs that have no offensive capabilities & aren't freakishly talented/athletic.

But that's not the point... Those were 2 AMAZING offenses with huge talent on both teams that provided difficulty for almost every team they faced the entire season. 

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6 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

There can be plenty of tense moments without low scoring games... And there were big defensive plays made too... Something like 6 or 7 turnovers forced by defenses that kept putting the pressure on the other to go separate themselves. 

When offenses are that good, it's hard for anyone to stop them. The whole idea that people don't play defense in basketball is also a big myth... especially for those that think college basketball is somehow superior due to better defense than the pros. It's not like all those great defenders in college suddenly forgot how to play once they got to the NBA. However, they suddenly started playing against the best athletes in the world instead of random amateurs that have no offensive capabilities & aren't freakishly talented/athletic.

But that's not the point... Those were 2 AMAZING offenses with huge talent on both teams that provided difficulty for almost every team they faced the entire season. 

 

I just don't like "you score, we score" sports. Whatever it may be. I didn't enjoy the Eagles - Patriots Superbowl. I didn't love the Chiefs - Rams and I think basketball totally sucks. 

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21 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

Was it no defense or great offenses? 

 

It was the chicken.....

 

NO, WAIT! It was the egg.....

 

It’s just so hard to say for sure.....

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It may have been the choppers from Super Bowl XXV that stop the punters from coming onto the field.

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I just remember it being a great game where you thought as an afterthought that neither team even punted.

 

It was hardly the topic of the day, but it became the easy and logical way to refer to it.

 

I'm not sure what the whole reality/myth thing is about. It really happened.

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On 7/7/2019 at 7:08 PM, Ronin said:

 

I'll tell you what was crazy, we were at the game and afterwards on the radio they were raking Young across the coals talking about how he'd never amount to anything.  We're just laughing thinking what on earth these people were watching, dude had 450 passing yards, mostly to Mike Sherrard and John Taylor, another 50 rushing, half as much as their RBs, 3 TDs.  The rest of course is history but we were literally laughing our asses off.  

 

 

 

I was also at the game and remember listening to the post game radio show. They all said Montana would have won that game.

On 7/7/2019 at 4:34 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

The no punt game was before my time but I thought Rams - Chiefs was overhyped.

Sometimes it's fun to watch a crazy game like the Rams/Chiefs. Primetime , sitting on the couch. Might as well be entertained.

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17 minutes ago, klos63 said:

 

Sometimes it's fun to watch a crazy game like the Rams/Chiefs. Primetime , sitting on the couch. Might as well be entertained.

 

Oh I don't doubt it was fun. But game for the ages? Nah. Not even the best game of 2018. 

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On 7/7/2019 at 6:16 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

Just watched thew whole game on You Tube.  The offenses did play great but it really should be called the "Mostly no defense game with a bunch of opportunistic turnovers game".  The turnovers were really good plays by the defense even as they got shredded on most of the other plays.  Bruce had a nice forced fumble.  Odomes and Merton Hanks make nice interceptions.  Rice was injured and left game early in the first quarter. Lofton dropped a TD on a post pattern but made key plays late in the game.  Bills gave up a TD to Taylor on 3rd and 20.  Odomes recovered a fumble that probably should have been an incomplete pass.  

There were a few times the Bills may have been forced to punt that were interesting.  The first was a 3rd and 5 in second quarter.  Bills ran screen to Thomas and he made Romanowski miss at the LOS and picked up a first down.  Amazing subtle move by Thurman that kept the drive going.  Second time was very odd.  Third and 1 at mid-field.  Kenneth Davis fumbled the ball and 49ers recovered.  If he had held on to the ball he would have been stopped and Bills probably would have punted with lead at mid-field.  And on the final drive, the Bills were able to kneel down and run out the clock.  Kelly on first down burned 3 seconds before kneeling down and the 49ers wasted about 4 more seconds before calling timeout  If  for not these few seconds, they would have had to punt on 4th down with maybe 2 seconds left on the game clock.  

The plays of the game were late in the fourth quarter. Bills had 3rd and 16 after a broken play/sack.  Kelly completes crossing route to Reed for 12  (great open field tackle by Eric Davis) and left a 4th and 4.  Bills went for it and completed to Lofton.  A FG attempt down by 4 with 3:37 left to play was an option but Levy went for it.  Next play Thurman scores TD up the middle. 

On the 49ers last drive ,the defense did make a couple plays. Bruce drew a nice holding penalty after getting called for an Offside that the officials missed a subtle movement by the LT.  After Young misses an open WR on an corner route to the pylon,  Jeff Wright makes I believe his only impactful play of the day. He penetrates quickly and forces an incomplete pass by Young to force 4th down.  Kicker misses wide right.  

FYI, the officials were really quite good in this game.  Made some really nice calls on boundary and possession plays.  

As for the play by play, wow was Bob Trumpy terrible as an analyst.  Just truly awful.  Enberg was ok but made a bunch of mistakes even on the final play thinking the 49ers had another TO to use.   They didn't even make mention of no punts until 1:47 left in the game.  

Odd fact that Enberg got right.  Prior to the kneel downs it was the 3rd highest yards gained combined in NFL history.  With the kneel downs it fell back to fourth.  

 

Hull was mostly brilliant in this game. But Wolford was just outstanding.  Had he stayed he would be a Wall of Fame candidate.  

 

Wolford was.indeed outstanding. Yet when he left, he was breaking down with bad shoulder or shoulders as the Colts found out as he.missed the bulk of his first season with them. If I recall correctly he finished his career with the Steelers as a Guard. I was angry about the way he left for many years. I live now outside Louisville where he's still a celebrity of sorts. Good guy. according to my family physician, who knew him for years going back to college, and extremely smart.

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