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What would need to occur to extend or fire McDermott?

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Through 2 years

 

Coach A:  14-18, -113 point differential, inherited a 5-11 team

 

coach B: 15-17, -162 point differential, inherited a 7-9 team

 

if Mcdermott wins 10+, extension.  If he has a losing record, barring a major qb injury or just awful luck and Allen shows progress, he gets fired.  Besides being a nice guy, what has he shown that is elite?  It’s the nfl. You don’t need 5 years to turn around teams anymore. 

 

And coach A was Dick Jauron.  

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Fired? Lose the locker room and win 2 - 4 games looking awful.

 

Extended? Why? Too early. He's hired for this year and two more. But playing the game, they reach the AFC championship game. 

 

Chance of either happening, maybe 1%.

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Answer is neither, this is likely a mute point thread as neither scenario is realistic.  Nothing is impossible, but below are why this really is a premature thread that likely will have neither of these outcomes.

 

The season would have to be a disaster for him to get fired.  And there is almost no chance this year is worse than last year with all the development we saw down the stretch of Allen, Edmunds, and Foster to go with all the new additions to significantly upgrade what was last year mostly a terrible group of receivers, tight ends, and offensive lineman.  Plus we got Milano back, lots of strong depth at CB, a healthy Murphy, and of course Oliver to elevate what was already a solid defense.  Even if injuries happened that made the season fall apart, I don't think he would get fired for that this season.  

 

McD is already gaining a lot of respect around the league as a top young coach, I don't think he on any kind of a short leash at this year.  

 

There is also probably little chance he gets extended this year given he has a 5 year contract.  But for argument sake, I guess an extension could happen if he either:

  1. Wins the division.
  2. Wins a playoff game.
  3. Gets double digit wins could do it if the team finished the season strong.  If he starts hot and goes 5-1 to start the season, but then finishes 5-5 down the stretch for instance, not sure the double digit wins quite does the trick on its own unless he made some noise in the playoffs..  But say we started 2-3 but then started to really gel the new pieces and he finished 8-3 down the stretch with some big wins, I could see them considering it.
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Regression from last season's win total (excluding major injury to Josh) = fired. 

 

A playoff run (ie. Getting in and winning a game or two) = possible extension. 

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Firing is highly unlikely in 2019/2020 offseason unless something happens that embarrasses the owners, and/or they’re lied to about something significant.  That seems to be what drives their decisions more than anything else.

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....far too early for EITHER to be considered......unless you prefer reuniting the "Russ-Wrecks-Whaley Team" to get us to the promised land..........

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10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If he averages more than 74 claps per game he's fired....under that I'll extend. 

I disagree. If it is 74+ claps for TD and getting the turnover then that is good. If is 74+ claps for "well, you tried but fell short" then bring out the ax.

 In all seriousness, he aint getting fired. This thing is happening boys and girls!

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10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Just reading this script, man!

Fire everybody, no Super Bowl win, fire everybody again - the "informed fan's" mantra!

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8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Fired? Lose the locker room and win 2 - 4 games looking awful.

 

Extended? Why? Too early. He's hired for this year and two more. But playing the game, they reach the AFC championship game. 

 

Chance of either happening, maybe 1%.

 

Glad you saw he is on a 5 year contract.  I couldn’t find that info.  If that’s the case, then I think you nailed it. 

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8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Through 2 years

 

Coach A:  14-18, -113 point differential, inherited a 5-11 team

 

coach B: 15-17, -162 point differential, inherited a 7-9 team

 

if Mcdermott wins 10+, extension.  If he has a losing record, barring a major qb injury or just awful luck and Allen shows progress, he gets fired.  Besides being a nice guy, what has he shown that is elite?  It’s the nfl. You don’t need 5 years to turn around teams anymore. 

 

And coach A was Dick Jauron.  

Fire everybody. 

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If the Pegulas like him in January he stays if not he goes...

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Breaking the drought pretty much bought  him three years to do his thing or trust the process so to speak.

 

Hes not going to get fired this year but I do think he’s under the microscope a little more this year vs last 

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it is his 3rd year as the coach in Buffalo. 

 

extension - Super Bowl Victory 

 

what "could" get him fired would be going 4-12  (but that aint happening)

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31 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Fire everybody, no Super Bowl win, fire everybody again - the "informed fan's" mantra!

 

....yup......fire 'em all and just keep bringing more in.......:thumbsup:

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I'd extend him now. I think he's a good coach and some stability at the top would be nice for a change. I cannot see any way this team collapses to the point where he gets fired.

BTW what's the big deal about his hand clapping? A little Jergens skin care and he'll be fine.

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To me, you only extend a coach when you believe that his market value will exceed the price you pay him when his contract is up, and obviously that's tied to winning as well as overall dynamics of the team. So, I really like McD and I love (on paper thus far) what Bean has done, but neither IMHO has earned an extension and I really don't think either can do that this season. An extension IMHO would come in the midst of the down time next off-season after there has been a thorough evaluation of what he's done - through his whole term. 

 

That said, if McD gets to 10 wins and makes the playoffs, I can see an extension and I can also see 10 wins, missing the playoffs and NO extension as well as 9-7 and the playoffs with NO extension. In other words, I don't think the wins alone nor the playoffs alone earn an extension. I think it has to be the totality of circumstances and taking the whole picture into mind. This is going to be his 3rd year, I think honestly, it shouldn't be until the end of his 4th season that such a thing is truly discussed. Because Buffalo needs a CONSISTENT winner, not just fluke years here and there. 

 

To fire him.....the wheels need to come off this season in order to get the boot. Total mismanagement of nearly everything and losing of course, that'll do it! Again, it depends on how those losses occurred. In other words, major injuries in the early to middle season and the whole team is derailed due to it, hard to fault him unless he put those guys in position to get hurt. If everyone's healthy (mostly) and Allen regresses or doesn't show the progress he demonstrated in the final quarter of last season, on top of losing etc.....yeah, I think Allen's trajectory is too important to keep tying incompetence to his career. Because as well know, as Allen goes - so goes this franchise.

 

All of that said - I really believe McD is going to turn this ship around and do so for the long term. 

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As I’ve said here before, Beane is more likely to be fired than McD, who has shown both adaptability and an impressive willingness to stick a dagger in the back of his acolytes when they start to make him look bad.  If guys like Zay, Oliver and Ford faceplant this year and the free agent recruits on offense don’t perform, I could see McD making a power play a la Bill O’Brien and wrestling control of personnel (remember, McD was a scout before he was a coach).

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I know it won’t happen but I would fire him right now. Mostly for his comments about how he wants to “pass when we have to”  and how it’s inevitable in our climate to run the ball. I’m just not interested in that sort of team. In fact, I think we are due for a few years of pass-only offense. 

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Fired: 5 wins or less

1 year extension 6-8 wins dependent upon progress of Allen and or impact on team due to key injuries outside of McDermott's control.

2 year extension with 9+ wins no wildcard

3 year extension with wildcard

4 year extension with wildcard + 1 win in playoffs

5 year extension with division championship

6 year extension with Superbowl Win

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13 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I know it won’t happen but I would fire him right now. Mostly for his comments about how he wants to “pass when we have to”  and how it’s inevitable in our climate to run the ball. I’m just not interested in that sort of team. In fact, I think we are due for a few years of pass-only offense. 

Here we go, "I want arena football," how about a coach that game plans to win - run, pass whatever it takes!!!

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12 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Here we go, "I want arena football," how about a coach that game plans to win - run, pass whatever it takes!!!

 

Exactly! If we passed every play last year what would the difference be? Allen is more developed, the Bills are better in Madden, and i don’t irrationally hate Zay Jones?

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1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Glad you saw he is on a 5 year contract.  I couldn’t find that info.  If that’s the case, then I think you nailed it. 

 

 

 

"With matching five-year contracts, it's true that Beane and McDermott will be tied together, and should enjoy a solid working relationship. "

 

https://buffalonews.com/2017/05/09/five-things-know-new-bills-general-manager-brandon-beane/

 

 

Yeah, just too early, to make either of these decisions two years into a rebuild, absent a massive disaster or success. Wildly unlikely.

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1 hour ago, vorpma said:

Fire everybody. 

Keep everybody even if they are good because they are nice and Buffalo should just be happy we have a coach.  You need 5 years to turn around a 7 win team!

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